ANTIFA: Who We Are

[Nikolai]

ANTIFA

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http://bristolantifa.org/about-us/

Who We Are

Bristol Antifa is part of a national federation comprised of local groups of militant anti-fascists, affiliated to the international Antifa movement. We exist to confront fascist ideas, activities and organisations wherever and however they occur. We utilise a wide range of tactics and believe it is important to confront fascism physically as well as ideologically. We do not advocate the electoral process as the means of defeating fascism nor will we work with groups that do. Our structure is anti-authoritarian and non-hierarchical. We oppose discrimination based on race, gender, sexuality, disability or age. We will not work with, accept information from, nor pass information to the magazine Searchlight.

What Is Fascism?

It is a mistake to see fascism solely in terms of extreme far-right nationalist political parties such as the BNP, NF etc. While these are the most obvious target for an anti-fascist campaign, many policies promoted by other parties are equally fascist in nature, and demand an appropriate reaction. The media is also guilty of pushing far-right ideology (the tabloid treatment of the issues surrounding refugees for example) and their actions often fall within the remit of an anti-fascist group. We should oppose fascist ideology whatever its source. Equally, fascism is often used as a synonym for racism. Racism is a tool frequently employed by fascist movements, but it is important to be aware that fascists can be non-racist and indeed most racists are not fascists. While our major target is fascism, we must be aware that bigotry in all forms (racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.) needs to be fought, whether it comes from the mouths of fascists or from elsewhere.

The Enemy

There are many fascist groups operating in Britain, but the biggest threat comes from the British National Party who in recent years have done their utmost to hide their fascist politics beneath a thin veneer of respectability. Antifa opposes all fascist activity, but destroying the BNP is our current priority. Their presence on the political landscape pushes the wider political agenda to the right to the cost of working class people.

Physical Confrontation

Fascism is a violent ideology. Throughout history, fascists have used violence against those who oppose them. Antifa is a continuation of the anti-fascist tradition of confronting fascism physically when it is necessary. Physical confrontation is only one of our tactics though, we do not aim to fetishise it as one tactic above all others, nor will we allow a hierarchy to develop based on the kudos of street-fighting. If an individual member feels unable to engage on this level they are no less worthy as an anti-fascist than any other member of the group. However, those with a moral problem regarding this issue should be advised that this is not the group for them.

Hierarchy & Group Structure

In keeping with our anti-authoritarian ideas, we seek to challenge hierarchy within our own movement and elsewhere. We do not believe in fixed leadership or power structures. Within Bristol Antifa we make decisions on a consensus basis to ensure that the opinions of all within the group are represented as far as possible. Where an organising role needs to be taken on by one or more people (for example, acting as chief steward during an action), we accept that this is immediately revocable should the members of the group be dissatisfied, and that the appointment of any role that could be seen as leadership is temporary and based on group consensus. There are situations in militant anti-fascism where decisions have to be made quickly and it is vital that those involved trust the person who is making those decisions. It is also vital that appointing those decision-makers does not create any unspoken hierarchy, so we encourage the rotation of roles as far as possible. The structure of our own movement needs to reflect our political goals.

Inclusivity

The success of fascist politics depends on a divided and unorganised working class. Bristol Antifa believes that the means to effect social change must mirror the ends we wish to achieve, and therefore, reflecting our wider beliefs, we will never exclude any individual on the basis of their sex, race, age, (dis)ability, sexuality or any similar grounds.

Searchlight

We will not work with, accept information from, nor pass information to the so-called anti-fascist magazine/organisation Searchlight, and we will not work with individuals who have any connection to them. As an organisation that works hand-in-glove with State agencies, we cannot trust them or the agenda they pursue. Their influence within, and manipulation of, militant anti-fascism has been deeply divisive over the years. Their methods and involvement with State security services are well documented and entirely incompatible with our own position.

The Authoritarian Left

For decades revolutionary left groups, such as the Trotskyite Socialist Workers Party, have opportunistically used the mobilisation against fascism as a way of trying to swell their membership numbers and the coffers of their parties. We are not interested in working with these groups, nor with their front groups, such as the Anti-Nazi League™ or Unite Against Fascism™. Our experience is that these front groups exist merely to try and recruit members on behalf of the controlling party, to peddle their papers, and to manipulate and marginalize genuine anti-fascists. In the past we have seen the leadership of such fronts collaborate not only with the State, but also with the fascists themselves. We will not be fooled again, and advise genuine anti-fascists within these organisations to leave, after which we may be able to work with them.

Voting

Voting is something that allows the State to pretend we live in a democracy, and it is a tactic used by fascist parties such as the British National Party to promote themselves and their policies. While the BNP may be in a position to throw bricks through the windows of a few Asian households, it is New Labour that is locking up refugees and bombing Iraqi civilians. It is ridiculous to suggest that voting helps to stop fascism. This is the sort of insult to working class communities that has allowed the BNP to grow. This is the case whether we are being told to vote for the old Statist parties or opportunist fronts, such as Respect™, which has helped to promote bigotry (sexism and homophobia) in order to further the agenda of its leadership. The problems that allow racism and fascism to flourish will not be solved simply by voting for parties which mask their fascism slightly more cleverly than the BNP, nor for some middle-class tourist standing on a left-wing ticket.

The Wider Struggle

Eliminating the threat of fascism will not magically correct all the wrongs of the world. The first stage of real lasting social improvement begins with the downfall of global capitalism and its replacement with an alternative that puts working class people in control of their own lives. Members of Bristol Antifa are involved in a wide variety of other anti-capitalist struggles, but Bristol Antifa itself remains focussed on the fight against fascism, which we believe is linked to the wider struggle. The State will employ fascist tactics if necessary in the cause of suppressing dissent, and the fight against openly fascist ideology, wherever it comes from, is a critical part of the fight against the ultimate enemy – capitalism itself.

Community Involvement

Fascists can be suppressed by the use of street-level tactics against their attempts to publicly organise. The fascists' electoral ambitions can be defeated by the use of counter-propaganda. But a meaningful impact on fascism requires far more than this. We believe that involvement in local communities is critical (and this does not mean parachuting in as outsiders, but people taking action in their own communities). Education and presenting workable solutions to the problems faced by communities are absolutely vital to the struggle. These may be outside the current remit of Bristol Antifa, but we will wholeheartedly support these tactics and, while we may not be able to initiate such activities, we strongly encourage our members to involve themselves in this sort of grass-roots work.

Security & Recruitment

For tactical and security reasons, Bristol Antifa is not an open group. Some of our work may put us in conflict with the authorities, and of course with fascists themselves. We do not seek mass-recruitment and we do not hold regular open meetings. That said, we are always on the lookout for potential new members who are committed and security-conscious. If you are interested in getting involved with Bristol Antifa, or if you would like to assist us in our work, please get in touch.

[Dreadnought]

Well that explains the preponderance of ugly unaesthetic smelly hippie types one can see in Bristol.

[Apocales]

You won't find many Antifa at the soccer games, as those are generally nationalist and mildly-extremely racist in nature.

[Vindex]

Bascially social marxists, so they are red facists, anti-fascists.

[Ricardo Vega]

These anti-fuh idiots and hypocrites can't define a literal definition of Fascism objectively even if their lives depend upon it. How is the Nationalist right generally considered "Fascist" by these losers, e.g. even if the BNP, Le Pen's National Front, etc. have nothing in their platform(s) that advocate an authoritarian corporatist state?

[Gregz]

We utilise a wide range of tactics and believe it is important to confront fascism physically as well as ideologically. We do not advocate the electoral process as the means of defeating fascism nor will we work with groups that do. Our structure is anti-authoritarian and non-hierarchical.

Antifa are basically a militant Marxist, border-line terrorist organisation. Who aren't operating within the political process, overtly and are advocating violence.

"For tactical and security reasons, Bristol Antifa is not an open group. Some of our work may put us in conflict with the authorities, and of course with fascists themselves."

They are thick as shit, dupes and secuity will be crawling all over them. In fact they could even be some kind of counter-revolutionary, deep state tool.

Nevertheless, if you want to do something useful, rat the little fuckers out and write to MI5 at the following address and report them as a national secuity threat and a potentially dangerous, Marxist terrorist organisation.

The Enquiries Desk
PO Box 3255
London
SW1P 1AE
UK

[Nikolai]

There are more aryans affiliated with Antifa than most pro-white organizations. Slightly more attractive as well, but that isn't saying much.

White people....White People are always fighting fascism n' stuff. White people are just alright:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3381/3186604136_532a2f1313_z.jpg



NSM Mestizo/ WOP/ Brown shit for eyes/ Has to shave head because he is ashamed he doesn't have blonde hair:

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/vito.jpg

[Ricardo Vega]

There are more aryans affiliated with Antifa than most pro-white organizations. Slightly more attractive as well, but that isn't saying much.


How can you be so sure that most of these anti-fuh anarcho extremists are White? Still how this negates the fact that anti-fuh is a fringe movement (just like their 'neo-nazi' skinhead counterparts), or that it negates mine and others' points raised? You, or the author still have failed to define what 'Fascism' really is. I've read the article and their description doesn't even come close to the actual original idealogical meaning of the word.

Since the author and/or you described the European rightist parties as 'Fascist', the onus is on the author and/or you to prove that these anti-immigrant, Nationalist rightists advocate a Fascist system of government.

[MrAngry]

These anti-fuh idiots and hypocrites can't define a literal definition of Fascism objectively even if their lives depend upon it. How is the Nationalist right generally considered "Fascist" by these losers, e.g. even if the BNP, Le Pen's National Front, etc. have nothing in their platform(s) that advocate an authoritarian corporatist state?


The initial platform for the BNP was to "own the streets" until they got their arses kicked, then under Griffin they decided to concentrate on the political route. No matter how you try to intellectualise the "Nationalist Right", they're still fascists at the end of the day.

[Ricardo Vega]

No matter how you try to intellectualise the "Nationalist Right", they're still fascists at the end of the day.

Where does it say in the BNP's platform for a abolishment of the UK's tradition of it's parliamentary form of government?

Where does it say in the BNP's platform that that party will impose an authoritarian police state, where all racial 'indesirables' and other political opponents should be jailed for 'crimes against the state'. Just because they advocate controversial un-PC stances against immigration, Islam, etc?

Where does it say in the BNP's platform for a introduction of a corporative system of government (the economic side of fascism)?

No matter how much I've tried to ask for a definition of "Fascism" from you anti-fuhs in this thread, you still use it as an pejorative epithet to smear anti-establishment rightists in general.

[Razor Ramon]

There are more aryans affiliated with Antifa than most pro-white organizations. Slightly more attractive as well, but that isn't saying much.

White people....White People are always fighting fascism n' stuff. White people are just alright:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3381/3186604136_532a2f1313_z.jpg



NSM Mestizo/ WOP/ Brown shit for eyes/ Has to shave head because he is ashamed he doesn't have blonde hair:

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/vito.jpg

If you want to see some Aryans then check out the SHARP skins.

[MrAngry]

Where does it say in the BNP's platform for a abolishment of the UK's tradition of it's parliamentary form of government?

Where does it say in the BNP's platform that that party will impose an authoritarian police state, where all racial 'indesirables' and other political opponents should be jailed for 'crimes against the state'. Just because they advocate controversial un-PC stances against immigration, Islam, etc?

Where does it say in the BNP's platform for a introduction of a corporative system of government (the economic side of fascism)?

No matter how much I've tried to ask for a definition of "Fascism" from you anti-fuhs in this thread, you still use it as an pejorative epithet to smear anti-establishment rightists in general.


Are there any examples of populist fascist political parties ever being explicit about their true platforms? Even the Nazi's weren't that naive.

[Ricardo Vega]

Are there any examples of populist fascist political parties ever being explicit about their true platforms? Even the Nazi's weren't that naive.

I'm not being naive at all, in comparison to how dense you really on this issue. So ever populist Rightist parties are fascist parties to you now? Maybe I should educate you on what Fascism is, at least according to it's proponents from this YouTube Video.

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I know some here who objectively understand what Fascism may disagree with some of the points raised in the video (e.g. in regards to Fascist Italy's view towards it's working class prior to the collapse of 1943, or even thereafter under the Salo Republic). But please don't bother to tell me that you even understand what Fascism is without even seeing this video.

In regards to whether the BNP actually supports corporatism (the economic side of Fascism) from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party):

The economic policy of the party has developed over time. From the 1990s, the party reflected protectionism and economic nationalism, although in comparison with other radical nationalist parties, the BNP focuses less on corporatism.[126]

And another relevant paragraph:

In 2002, the party criticised corporatism due to the "mixture of big capitalism and state control", claiming to be more favourable to the "distributionist tradition established by home-grown thinkers" favouring small, privately owned business.[60] In its 2005 manifesto, the BNP declared its opposition to "globalism, international socialism, laissez-faire capitalism and economic liberalism".[127]

Judging from this, this hardly qualifies the BNP to be labeled Fascist at all. As a matter of fact, the UK hasn't had any real Fascist movement since the demise of Oswald Moseley's Union of British Fascists during WWII.

In regards to it's racist/racialist views espoused by the party's members, racism/racialism alone doesn't make one a Fascist, since many racists/racialists (or even rightists of any sort) themselves don't necessarily advocate a Syncretic, third-positionist system of government.

Since you antifa types made the charges of Fascism directed at the right in general, the ball is still in your court.

[harjit]

In regards to it's racist/racialist views espoused by the party's members, racism/racialism alone doesn't make one a Fascist, since many racists/racialists (or even rightists of any sort) themselves don't necessarily advocate a Syncretic, third-positionist system of government.
Indeed, at least in North America the vast majority of racism was traditionally practiced by Christian capitalists who probably viewed Hitler and Mussolini as malevolent strange comical foreign figures.

Not sure what the deal is in Britain.

[Captain Blackbeard]

Are there any examples of populist fascist political parties ever being explicit about their true platforms? Even the Nazi's weren't that naive.

Are there any examples of any political party being explicit about their true platforms?

[Dreadnought]

Are there any examples of populist fascist political parties ever being explicit about their true platforms? Even the Nazi's weren't that naive.

So, we just have to "know" that they're fascist, perhaps using antifascist spidey-senses?

[MrAngry]

I'm not being naive at all, in comparison to how dense you really on this issue. So ever populist Rightist parties are fascist parties to you now? Maybe I should educate you on what Fascism is, at least according to it's proponents from this YouTube Video.

The origins of fascism stem from Ancient Rome but I'm sure you can google it so I won't bore you with a Youtube clip, what is evident is that fascism, it's definition in particlular has changed but the base components are always there. So welcome to today where anti-fascists label scum like the BNP as fascists.


Since you antifa types made the charges of Fascism directed at the right in general, the ball is still in your court.

And while we're at it, the BNP was founded from the ruins of the National Front, which was indisputably fascist and Nick Griffin was very much part of that scumf**k organisation. He is on record as stating that he needed to broaden the populist appeal of the BNP by abandoning the more obvious fascist policies until such time as they gained real power or influence.

One for you (http://www.mixx.com/videos/5749029/youtube_bnp_mep_nick_griffin_kkk_terrorist)

[Ricardo Vega]

The origins of fascism stem from Ancient Rome but I'm sure you can google it so I won't bore you with a Youtube clip,


Even though the ideological inspirations and the conditions that lead to the rise of Fascism were indeed there. So Fascism as an ideology existed even before Benito Mussolini was politically active, or was even born to you? Okay If you antifa types say so. :rolleyes:


what is evident is that fascism, it's definition in particlular has changed but the base components are always there. So welcome to today where anti-fascists label scum like the BNP as fascists.


Then why is it so hard for you to define Fascism in your own words if It has changed at all? I disagree that the original ideological definition of Fascism as intended by the original Italian Fascists has changed at all. Unless if you consider the constant pejorative use of the word from across the political spectrum to smear enemies since WWII, e.g. "Red Fascism", "Islamo Fascism", "Clerical Fascism" etc as a "change" of, or even a "broadening" of the definition.

Today "Fascism" has being degenerated into a smear word that could mean anything to anyone devoid of it's original meaning. I also have a similar objections to the use of "socialism", to describe any taxation by the state to fund projects and other services (e.g. health care) by Libertarians and their so-called Conservative "allies". I also have objections to how the mainstream media and others who throw the "neo-nazi" label like a tantrum at anyone group, or individual(s) who holds anti-establishment rightist views. Even if some of the groups and/or individuals may not necessarily seek a revival of a National Socialist system of government that existed under NS Germany, or even use any Nazi fetish at all. Russian neo-nazis, American neo-nazis, Polish neo-nazis, even Israeli neo-nazis WTF? You now see my point?


And while we're at it, the BNP was founded from the ruins of the National Front, which was indisputably fascist and Nick Griffin was very much part of that scumf**k organisation. He is on record as stating that he needed to broaden the populist appeal of the BNP by abandoning the more obvious fascist policies until such time as they gained real power or influence.

One for you (http://www.mixx.com/videos/5749029/youtube_bnp_mep_nick_griffin_kkk_terrorist)

Okay the fact that Nick Griffin had met David Duke (guilt by association?) and had (or still has?) racist/racialist views makes him and his party Fascist? Even in the video, Mr Griffin never said anything about abolishing democracy, (a typical trait of all authoritarian/totalitarian movements, not just Fascist) introducing censorship (which you apparently advocate), or forming corporations which is an economic hallmark of Fascism. But what Mr Griffin mentioned instead was the 'mainstreaming' of racialist/WN ideas to make it more acceptable to a wider electorate. That's still hardly Fascism.

Now I've got a whole new question for you. Why is someone Fascist, or even "neo-nazi" just for holding racist/racialist viewpoints? Is Racism/racialism the monopoly of Fascism?

[MrAngry]

Even though the ideological inspirations and the conditions that lead to the rise of Fascism were indeed there. So Fascism as an ideology existed even before Benito Mussolini was politically active, or was even born to you? Okay If you antifa types say so. :rolleyes:

A little teaser for you.
Look at Dreadnoughts avatar, what do think it is and where did it originate?





Then why is it so hard for you to define Fascism in your own words if It has changed at all? I disagree that the original ideological definition of Fascism as intended by the original Italian Fascists has changed at all. Unless if you consider the constant pejorative use of the word from across the political spectrum to smear enemies since WWII, e.g. "Red Fascism", "Islamo Fascism", "Clerical Fascism" etc as a "change" of, or even a "broadening" of the definition.

Fascism as you define it exsisted for 30 years in one country in the last century, clearly your definition is too narrow, imo.


Today "Fascism" has being degenerated into a smear word that could mean anything to anyone devoid of it's original meaning.

Then the link to its original meaning as far as you are concerned isn't relevant, today it's used as a smear for racist organisations and supporters of such, I can live with that.


Now I've got a whole new question for you. Why is someone Fascist, or even "neo-nazi" just for holding racist/racialist viewpoints? Is Racism/racialism the monopoly of Fascism?

To a degree it is and is viewed as such by most, word definitions change all the time and sometimes is more broadly used. At the end of the day does it matter where or how it originated or even if it is being used out of context in your opinion.

[Königin Luise von Preußen]

"The Facists of the future will call themselves Anti-Facists".

- Sir Winston Churchill.

[Ricardo Vega]

A little teaser for you.
Look at Dreadnoughts avatar, what do think it is and where did it originate?


So Dreadnoughts' a Fascist to you? Since I haven't read enough of his/her posts to deterine if that's true, I can't say that I either agree, or disagree with your assertion. From the bundle of rods Fasces that also coincidentally appears on the coat-of-arms of the current French Republic? Does that make today's French Republic a Fascist state?


Fascism as you define it exsisted for 30 years in one country in the last century, clearly your definition is too narrow, imo. Then the link to its original meaning as far as you are concerned isn't relevant.


Actually it's the most pertinent when explaining the term Fascist in it's original political appellation. Rather than it's often misused and abused usage that's open to potential misrepresentation.


today it's used as a smear for racist organisations and supporters of such, I can live with that.


It's being (mis)used by those from across the political spectrum. It's not just myself, or others who understand the true nature of Fascism as originally intended by the Italians who have an issue with that.


To a degree it is and is viewed as such by most, word definitions change all the time and sometimes is more broadly used. At the end of the day does it matter where or how it originated or even if it is being used out of context in your opinion.

Word definitions can also be abused and possibly taken out of it's original context, e.g. Neoliberalism (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2308304986). Just because you label someone, or some group as "Fascist" doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

[Ricardo Vega]

"The Facists of the future will call themselves Anti-Facists".

- Sir Winston Churchill.

After all Fascism and Anti-Fascism are just two sides of the same coin. I find both to be just as contemptible as the other, and neither have a respect for freedoms taken for granted in the west, e.g. free speech.

[Frank]

Again, I have to change the wording to reflect the true nature of the "Antifa."

Who We Are

Bristol Antifa is part of a national federation comprised of local groups of militant terrorist thugs, affiliated to the international Zionist lobby. We exist to crush anyone who criticizes Israel, Jewish militants, or simply dares to think in a manner we do not like. We utilise a wide range of cowardly tactics and believe it is important to confront our opponents physically as well as ideologically even though we are too dumb to successfully debate a rock. We do not advocate the electoral process as the means of defeating our opponents because no one in their right mind would take us seriously. Our structure is authoritarian but non-hierarchical! We are simply too stupid to figure out how to choose a leader. We oppose discrimination based on race, gender, sexuality, disability or age unless you are a White man heterosexual with full use of his body. We will not work with, accept information from, nor pass information to the magazine Searchlight as this wimps are not maniacal enough for us...

What Is Fascism?

Anything that does not meet our approval.

The Enemy

There are many fascist groups operating in Britain, but the biggest threat comes from the British National Party who in recent years have done their utmost to hide their fascist politics beneath a thin veneer of respectability. Of course the radical Jihadists who create racial no-go zones, seek an Islamic theocracy in the UK and riot into the nights in the name of Allah are perfectly alright by us.

Antifa opposes all fascist activity, but destroying the BNP is our current priority. Their presence on the political landscape pushes the wider political agenda to the right to the cost of working class people. Of course bringing in legions of migrants to take jobs from working class British people is no problem at all folks. We have no problem with stuff like that peeps.

Physical Confrontation

Fascism is a violent ideology. Throughout history, fascists have used violence against those who oppose them though it is true that our ilk generally started those confrontations. Antifa is a continuation of the anti-fascist tradition of assaulting police, opponents and anyone we simply do not like while hiding behind masks like common cowards.

Physical confrontation is only one of our tactics though, especially when our moms expect us home by curfew. We do not aim to fetishise it as one tactic above all others though we are famous for cowardly mobbing attacks against people not prepared for a fight, nor will we allow a hierarchy to develop based on the kudos of street-fighting, again we are too stupid to figure out how to properly pick a leader. If an individual member feels unable to engage on this level they are no less worthy as an anti-fascist than any other member of the group though this would tend to go against our stated traditions but then again we are moral frauds, hypocrites, liars and outright life cheats. However, those with a moral problem regarding this issue should be advised that this is not the group for them. In fact, if they have any morals we are not the group for them.

Hierarchy & Group Structure

In keeping with our authoritarian ideas, we seek to challenge hierarchy within our own movement and elsewhere. We do this by getting drunk and bragging about how we rebelled against authority. We do not believe in fixed leadership or power structures since most of our members are too dumb to govern a lemonade stand. Within Bristol Antifa we make decisions on a consensus basis to ensure that the opinions of all within the group are represented as far as possible and after 30 days of arguing we may decide to something violent to some poor soul who pissed us off royally. Where an organising role needs to be taken on by one or more people (for example, acting as chief terrorist during an "action"), we accept that this is immediately revocable should the members of the group be dissatisfied with his/her/its lack of a violent criminal record, and that the appointment of any role that could be seen as leadership is temporary and based on group consensus. There are situations in militant terrorism where decisions have to be made quickly such as which firebomb will burn down a family home the fastest and it is vital that those involved trust the terrorist leader who is making those decisions. It is also vital that appointing those decision-makers does not create any unspoken hierarchy, so we encourage the rotation of roles as far as possible. The structure of our own movement needs to reflect our political goals of terror and mayhem in maintaining the states position on diversity. Hmmm....not too rebellious is it folks?

Inclusivity

The success of fascist politics depends on a divided and unorganised working class. Bristol Antifa believes that we best represent the working class as we would ensure endless Gulag work camps to keep them slaving away for the state until they are shot by state security forces for being unable to work.

Searchlight

Wimps....

The Authoritarian Left

That would be us folks...and we are cool!

Voting

Voting is something that allows the State to pretend we live in a democracy, our system is much better folks! We will eliminate voting hence giving you are much bigger say on how the nation runs! Ummm...please don't ask us how this will work in practice.

The Wider Struggle

Eliminating the threat of fascism will not magically correct all the wrongs of the world since we will still be around. The first stage of real lasting social improvement begins with the downfall of global capitalism and its replacement with an alternative that puts working class people in control of their own lives such as Stalinism! We all know how good workers had it under that man! Members of Bristol Antifa are involved in a wide variety of other anti-capitalist struggles usually involving violence and mayhem, but Bristol Antifa itself remains focussed on the fight against anything that does not meet our approval. The State will employ fascist tactics if necessary in the cause of suppressing dissent, though we are usually working with the state on those events.

Community Involvement

Fascists can be suppressed by the use of street-level tactics against their attempts to publicly organise. It is important to note that we oppose the freedom to assemble and free speech. However, we are still the best choice to represent the working class Brit!

The fascists' electoral ambitions can be defeated by the use of counter-propaganda. But a meaningful impact on fascism requires far more than this. We believe that involvement in local communities is critical (and this does not mean parachuting in as outsiders, unless they are third world migrates and economic refugees. Education and presenting workable solutions to the problems faced by communities are absolutely vital to the struggle. We can offer up to kindergarten as most of us never passed this grade. These may be outside the current remit of Bristol Antifa, but we will wholeheartedly support these tactics and, while we may not be able to initiate such activities since we are deranged dumb lunatics, we strongly encourage our members to involve themselves in this sort of grass-roots work.

Security & Recruitment

For tactical and security reasons, Bristol Antifa is not an open group. Some of our work may put us in conflict with the authorities, and of course with fascists themselves. And we are only tough guys during sneak attacks and outright ambushes. We do not seek mass-recruitment and we do not hold regular open meetings except at our weekly free clinic meetings when we are being tested for STD's . That said, we are always on the lookout for potential new cowardly terrorists members who are committed and security-conscious. If you are interested in getting involved with Bristol Antifa, or if you would like to assist us in our work, please get in touch.

Alright, this may be satire but how far am I truly off the mark?

[Ken]

So basically, a bunch of pussies who gang up in large groups and attack folks who don't agree with their views.

Aren't they being a tad bit hypocritical?

[Frank]

So basically, a bunch of pussies who gang up in large groups and attack folks who don't agree with their views.

Aren't they being a tad bit hypocritical?

Yep! And many of them are quite stupid (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=967244&postcount=37) as well...

[Count Sudoku]

Yep! And many of them are quite stupid (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=967244&postcount=37) as well...

I hope all of them get attacked and robbed by niggers repeatedly.

[Ponerologist]

The initial platform for the BNP was to "own the streets" until they got their arses kicked, then under Griffin they decided to concentrate on the political route. No matter how you try to intellectualise the "Nationalist Right", they're still fascists at the end of the day.

I joined the BNP and found most of its members to be quite pleasant and decent people. There was the odd exception, but overall that was my impression.

However when the list was leaked I received threatening emails and even a letter which stated all my neighbours were to be informed of my political views and that I was a 'danger to the community.'

As it happens none of the threats materialised - though I kept a hammer by the door (as I had been doing some work on the house of course), and if my neighbours were informed then, as nothing happened, it'd appear they couldn't care less.

I reckon the Antifa shited it. Either that or my neighbours just thought I was entitled to my political opinion.

[littlewhitelies]

Why is it that antis never ever harrass black racists? Kinds racist in and of itself methinks.

[elbwgreez]

Why don't they call themselves anti-racists? That's clearly their point, not anything to do with fascism. Does anyone think that they could even come up with even a dictionary definition of the term if asked?

I presume they think fascist sounds worse than racist. In the US, that is definitely the opposite. "Fascist" is a joke over here. And no, we can't accurately define it.

[Ken]

Why is it that antis never ever harrass black racists? Kinds racist in and of itself methinks.

I remember reading on Stormfront one of them saying something along the lines of it being OK for blacks to act aggressively against Whites because they were simply reacting to 300 years of continuous mistreatment by whitey.

[Ponerologist]

I remember reading on Stormfront one of them saying something along the lines of it being OK for blacks to act aggressively against Whites because they were simply reacting to 300 years of continuous mistreatment by whitey.

Even if we accepted that reasoning as logical and true, in Europe it's nonsense. In Scotland it was very unusual to see a black person as recently as the early 1990s. Yet many have arrived since. Most have applied for asylum in the UK and have come to Glasgow as part of the asylum dispersal scheme.

Yet as their numbers have grown they seem to be increasingly taking liberties. Some are very anti-social - spitting on the floor of buses, swaggering about and looking aggressively at other passengers, for example. Yet these are people who have sought, and been granted, refuge at the expense of our taxpayers.

[Frank]

I remember reading on Stormfront one of them saying something along the lines of it being OK for blacks to act aggressively against Whites because they were simply reacting to 300 years of continuous mistreatment by whitey.

I have heard the same thing from these so called white anti-racists types and the best response is the following:

"So, it would be alright for a black individual to rape and kill your mother and sister in a fit of racial bloodlust? If not, why not? He is merely reacting to 300 years of continuous mistreatment by Whites"

He really has no alternative but to either play the role of hypocrite who holds double standards or a monster who would support the rape and murder of his own mother and sister. If he fails to respond, this will still give him the look of a monster.

[Frank]

Why is it that antis never ever harrass black racists? Kinds racist in and of itself methinks.

For one, they are cowards. If they started to target black racists they would find themselves in a lot of trouble in many many ways. It is the same reason you do not see them protesting outside of Israeli embassies. They know if they tangle with that crowd they will be the ones maligned, arrested and severely punished.

Those consequences do not exist for harassing Whites as a group.

[Gregz]

He really has no alternative but to either play the role of hypocrite who holds double standards or a monster who would support the rape and murder of his own mother and sister. If he fails to respond, this will still give him the look of a monster.

Antis are so thick as shit that it's a mistake to give them even that much credit. :rofl:

[Ryan]

The average antifa is unemployed, angry, and under 30 years old.


Often they are mixed race or of questionable lineage which generally feeds their animosity towards homogenous factions of peoples.

[Wild North]

The average antifa is unemployed, angry, and under 30 years old.


Often they are mixed race or of questionable lineage which generally feeds their animosity towards homogenous factions of peoples.


I wouldn´t be too sure about what you said in your last sentence. To me it seems that, at least the members of the leading circles of antifa, quite often are middle and upper class white youths, that say they are, or want to represent minorities, that they are speaking for them. Though only a few non-white may be represented in their leading groups.

For instance, there are many cases within Europe their representatives came to thirld world immigrant ghettoes, but guess what they´ve got chased away. They talk much about racism against thirld worlders, not much about the racism vice versa, coming from these thirld worlders against native European whites. They don´t really seem to be in touch with reality these antifas...

[Ryan]

I wouldn´t be too sure about what you said in your last sentence. To me it seems that, at least the members of the leading circles of antifa, quite often are middle and upper class white youths, that say they are, or want to represent minorities, that they are speaking for them. Though only a few non-white may be represented in their leading groups.

For instance, there are many cases within Europe their representatives came to thirld world immigrant ghettoes, but guess what they´ve got chased away. They talk much about racism against thirld worlders, not much about the racism vice versa, coming from these thirld worlders against native European whites. They don´t really seem to be in touch with reality these antifas...


Oh absolutely. I don't deny that there aren't white Antifa, I deny that they are ideologically sound or rational individuals. Most are entirely ideologically contradictory (but don't tell them that). There's an Antifa on this board who is one of the Occupy types. She's middle class white person who goes to poverty rallies with her iPhone and main brand, $14 coffee in hand screaming at evil white people whilst the actual poor people just stand there in disgust.

The deep irony is most Antifa that are white are actually middle upper class and have no actual connection to the very things they claim to be standard bearers for such as anti-capitalism and anti-discrimination.

That's why as you said, when they run around lecturing actual poor people they more often than not get mugged by the very people they claim to so represent. The Occupy crowd never mentioned the various little white kids being ripped off by the numerous actual poor people there. Those news clippings wouldn't have played too well now would they have?

[Nemesis]

ANTIFA: Who We Are

You're douchebag activists annoying the world and making it a worse place.

[Crowley]

Antifa are a potpourri of oddballs clustered around a nucleus of short Jews.

[Donau Schwaben]

Antifa are a potpourri of oddballs clustered around a nucleus of short Jews.

Case solved !

[Ricardo Vega]

Case solved !

You mean case closed? Otherwise why bother with antifas if mainstream society itself is 'antifa' and has laws against 'wacists' and other 'extremists'? We should be much more concerned with our elites who have a far greater impact on our lives, than compared to these fringe/anti-fringe fringe types? Without their capacity to inflict violence they're nothing really.