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WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 12:25 AM
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The strong, healthy boy born to "Light Horse Harry" and Ann Carter Lee on January 19, 1807 was the last Lee born at Stratford to survive to maturity. Though he spent fewer than four years there, his later boyhood visits left an impression that he carried throughout his life.

As sometimes happens in distinguished families, one member seems to fall heir to the best qualities of the previous generations and none of the flaws. So it was with Robert Edward Lee. From both the Carters and the Lees he inherited a handsome countenance. From his father came rare physical strength and endurance. The sense of duty that Harry had learned from George Washington was vividly imparted to his son Robert. Even "Light Horse Harry's" difficulties with money seemed to have produced positive responses in Robert, who throughout his life was meticulous and prudent in all financial matters.

Ann Carter Lee's gentleness was inherited by Robert, and his loving care of his ailing mother was the mainstay of her life. With his father and elder brothers away, and his mother and sisters in failing health, Robert had become, by age 12, head of the household. On cold afternoons, when his mother was well enough, young Robert would stuff paper in the cracks of the carriage to block the wind and take her driving. Years later, when he left for West Point, Ann Lee wrote to a cousin, "How I will get on without Robert? He is both a son and daughter to me."

Robert Lee's choice of a military career was dictated by financial necessity. There was no money left to send him to Harvard, where his older brother Charles Carter studied. Such circumstances led him to an appointment to West Point Military Academy. Robert, who led the Cadet Corps in 1829, graduated second in his class. In four years he received not a single demerit, and he became one of the most popular cadets in his class. When he returned as the Academy's superintendent years later, he won the same affectionate respect from the cadets for his compassion, sense of fairness and strong moral leadership.

On June 30, 1831, while serving as Second Lieutenant of Engineers at Fort Monroe, Virginia, he married Mary Ann Randolph Custis of Arlington. Mary was the only daughter of George Washington Parke Custis, the grandson of Martha Washington and the adopted grandson of George Washington. Robert E. Lee shared his father's reverence for the memory of the General and that bond with the Father of our Country served as an inspiration throughout Lee's life.

The couple moved into Arlington, the Custis house across the Potomac from Washington, D.C., which would later become Arlington National Cemetery.

At the outbreak of the Mexican-American War in 1846, Robert was ordered to Mexico as a supervisor of road construction. His skills as a cavalryman in reconnaissance, however, soon captured the attention of General Winfield Scott, who came to rely on Robert for his sharp military expertise. It was in Mexico that Lee learned the battlefield tactics that would serve him so well in coming years.

In spite of his flawless performance as an engineer and his brilliance as an officer, promotion came slowly for Robert Lee. His assignments were lonely and difficult, and he found the separation from his family hard to bear. His love of Mary and his ever-increasing brood of children were the center of his life.

The opportunity that won him enduring fame was one he would have preferred not to have taken. The Army of the United States had been his life's work for 32 years, and he had given it his very best. On April 18, 1861, he was finally offered the reward for his service.

On the eve of the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln, through Secretary Francis Blair, offered him command of the Union Army. There was little doubt as to Lee's sentiments. He was utterly opposed to secession and considered slavery evil. His views on the United States were equally clear - "no north, no south, no east, no west," he wrote, "but the broad Union in all its might and strength past and present."

Blair's offer forced Lee to choose between his strong conviction to see the country united in perpetuity and his responsibility to family, friends and his native Virginia. A heart-wrenching decision had to be made. After a long night at Arlington, searching for an answer to Blair's offer, he finally came downstairs to Mary. "Well Mary," he said calmly, "the question is settled. Here is my letter of resignation." He could not, he told her, lift his hand against his own people. He had "endeavored to do what he thought was right," and replied to Blair that "...though opposed to secession and a deprecating war, I could take no part in the invasion of the Southern States." He resigned his commission and left his much beloved Arlington to "go back in sorrow to my people and share the misery of my native state."

On June 1, 1862 Robert Edward Lee assumed command of the Army of Northern Virginia in the Confederate capital of Richmond. Not until February 1865 was he named Commander in Chief of all Confederate forces, but the leadership throughout the war was undeniably his. His brilliance as a commander is legendary, and military colleges the world over study his compaigns as models of the science of war. That he held out against an army three times the size and a hundred times better equipped was no miracle. It was the result of leadership by a man of exceptional intelligence, daring, courage and integrity. His men all but worshiped him. He shared their rations, slept in tents as they did, and, most importantly, never asked more of them than he did of himself.

On December 25, 1861, in the midst of war and with Arlington confiscated and occupied by Union troops, the lonely Lee wrote to Mary:

...in the absence of a home I wish I could purchase Stratford. That is the only place I could go to, now accessible to us, that would inspire me with feelings of pleasure and local love. You and the girls could remain there in quiet. It is a poor place, but we could make enough cornbread and bacon for our support and the girls could weave us clothes. I wonder if it is for sale and how much.
Sadly, circumstances prevented them from ever returning to Stratford.

Lee's legendary command of the Confederate forces came to an end at Appomattox, Virginia in April 1865. "There is nothing left for me to do," he said, "but to go and see General Grant, and I would rather die a thousand deaths."

With the war now over, Lee set an example to all in his refusal to express bitterness. "Abandon your animosities," he said, "and make your sons Americans." He then set out to work for a permanent union of the states.

Though his application to regain his citizenship was misplaced and not acted upon until 1975 - more than a century late - Lee worked tirelessly for a strong peace. With some hesitation he accepted the presidency of Washington College in Lexington, Virginia, and there he strove to equip his students with the character and knowledge he knew would be necessary to restore the war-ravaged South. Lexington became his home, and there he died of heart problems on October 12, 1870. After his death, his name was joined with that of his lifelong hero, and Washington College became Washington and Lee University.

link (http://www.stratfordhall.org/learn/lees/robert_e_lee.php)

Keystone
01-22-2011, 12:28 AM
never asked more of them than he did of himself.
...except being slaughtered and maimed by the hundreds of thousands.

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 12:33 AM
Lieutenant-General Thomas Jonathan Jackson was one of those rare historical characters who is claimed by all people--a man of his race, almost as much as of the Confederacy. No war has produced a military celebrity more remarkable, nor one whose fame will be more enduring. He was born January 21, 1824, in Clarksburg, Va., and his parents, who were of patriotic Revolutionary stock, dying while he was but a child, he was reared and educated by his kindred in the pure and simple habits of rural life, taught in good English schools, and is described as a "diligent, plodding scholar, having a strong mind, though it was slow in development." But he was in boyhood a leader among his fellow-students in the athletic sports of the times, in which he generally managed his side of the contest so as to win the victory. By this country training he became a bold and expert rider and cultivated that spirit of daring which being held sometimes in abeyance displayed itself in his Mexican service, and then suddenly again in the Confederate war.

link (http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/Stonewall_Jackson.htm)

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 12:37 AM
...except being slaughtered and maimed by the hundreds of thousands.


Fuktard, are you asking whether Lee ever led troops into battle or put himself in harms way?

Are you drinking, bro?

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 12:39 AM
Happy Lee/Jackson Day!

Keystone
01-22-2011, 12:44 AM
Fuktard, are you asking whether Lee ever led troops into battle or put himself in harms way?

Are you drinking, bro?
Lee sat on old Traveler and won some and lost most. The final result of the Civil War (or whatever brave name for it you'll subscribe to) was never much in question.

Dying for "honor" mostly gets you killed. Lee sacrificed a multitude of lives and limbs in a losing cause.

To this day, mind you.

Dances with Wolves
01-22-2011, 12:52 AM
Your generals were no better, especially Grant. Grant basically fought a war of attrition while drunk in his tent. That was to make up for his lack of any sort of strategic thinking or tactical brilliance on the field. Lincoln basically ran the war through him as a proxy.

Of course, Lincoln had to go through a few commanders before finding someone who would would sacrifce "life and limb" to ensure the birth of the Great Satan.

Fredricksburg, Fredricksburg, Fredricksburg....Yeeeh Ha!

Happy Lee-Jackson day!

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 12:56 AM
Lee sat on old Traveler and won some and lost most. The final result of the Civil War (or whatever brave name for it you'll subscribe to) was never much in question.

Dying for "honor" mostly gets you killed. Lee sacrificed a multitude of lives and limbs in a losing cause.

To this day, mind you.




Is that why you cluck like some old hen about baseball and football?

Are you a pacifist, Queerbait?

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 12:58 AM
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Keystone
01-22-2011, 01:02 AM
Your generals were no better, especially Grant. Grant basically fought a war of attrition while drunk in his tent. That was to make up for his lack of any sort of strategic thinking or tactical brilliance on the field. Lincoln basically ran the war through him as a proxy.

Of course, Lincoln had to go through a few commanders before finding someone who would would sacrifce "life and limb" to ensure the birth of the Great Satan.

Fredricksburg, Fredricksburg, Fredricksburg....Yeeeh Ha!

Happy Lee-Jackson day!
They aren't "my" generals. My people didn't get here until after that foolishness.

You guys kill me with your fierceness 150 years after the fact, Strategic thinking and tactical brilliance on both sides were responsible for bloody carnage, the likes of which you would shit your modern-day pants over in real life.

OVERWATCH
01-22-2011, 01:09 AM
...except being slaughtered and maimed by the hundreds of thousands.

What, Keybone?

Lee wasn't very much of a war hawk, at least with regards to the War between the States. However, Lee was compelled to do his duty, despite feeling very conflicted at being forced to choose between Virginia and the Union.

Nor should general officers normally be expected to take up a arms in a pitched battle. A general officer, especially a highly skilled one as Lee, is expected to have an overview of the battle and direct the battle from there.

Regardless, being a general officer on the front in those times was not without a considerable share of danger from combat or disease; unlike today.

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 01:10 AM
Keystone liberal guy from Bumfuck, Pa.

He's Pope and King.

Or "General" if you're a "republican". ;)

Dances with Wolves
01-22-2011, 01:12 AM
They aren't "my" generals. My people didn't get here until after that foolishness.

You guys kill me with your fierceness 150 years after the fact, Strategic thinking and tactical brilliance on both sides were responsible for bloody carnage, the likes of which you would shit your modern-day pants over in real life.

We're just poking at ya, Key. You're right. Neopolitian tactics in the first modern war lends itself to much carnage. I know if I were a soldier being told to get ready by Pickett I'd say, "what the fuck? You crazy, nigga!"

Keystone
01-22-2011, 01:13 AM
Is that why you cluck like some old hen about baseball and football?

Are you a pacifist, Queerbait?
LOL. Gorgeous. A Civil War fanboy.

Are you a masochist?

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 01:17 AM
Lee was one of the best men this nation ever produced, if not THE best.

If you didn't have your head three quarters of the way in your ass, you'd already know that.

OVERWATCH
01-22-2011, 01:20 AM
We're just poking at ya, Key. You're right. Neopolitian tactics in the first modern war lends itself to much carnage. I know if I were a soldier being told to get ready by Pickett I'd say, "what the fuck? You crazy, nigga!"

The military technology then was an odd mix of old and new. Rifling and improved projectile design boosted accuracy and range greatly, but the predominance of muzzle loaders kept the rate of fire of a unit rather low. This was true of both muskets and field guns. The low rate of fire of civil-war musketry is why mainforce doctrine still called for massed volleys like the line infantry of the 18th century, instead of evolving into light infantry using loose formations with fire and manoeuvre.

Keystone
01-22-2011, 01:25 AM
What, Keybone?

Lee wasn't very much of a war hawk, at least with regards to the War between the States. However, Lee was compelled to do his duty, despite feeling very conflicted at being forced to choose between Virginia and the Union.

Nor should general officers normally be expected to take up a arms in a pitched battle. A general officer, especially a highly skilled one as Lee, is expected to have an overview of the battle and direct the battle from there.

Regardless, being a general officer on the front in those times was not without a considerable share of danger from combat or disease; unlike today.
I really don't give two sticks about what Lee thought was his "duty". He lost a hopeless, horrendous war and he is somehow held up as a great general.

I can't give Lee credit for knowing it was unwinnable, but carrying on as long as he did.

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 01:35 AM
Keystone, I've tried to work with you, but goddamn it you're just a straight up pussy.

OVERWATCH
01-22-2011, 01:35 AM
I really don't give two sticks about what Lee thought was his "duty". He lost a hopeless, horrendous war and he is somehow held up as a great general.

I can't give Lee credit for knowing it was unwinnable, but carrying on as long as he did.

Defeats can be heroic; Lee outstripped his Union counterparts in both skill and honour. If he had led the Army of the Potomac instead, the war would probably have been over in very short order.

Is that why you're chapped, that he didn't join the Union?

Dances with Wolves
01-22-2011, 01:36 AM
I really don't give two sticks about what Lee thought was his "duty". He lost a hopeless, horrendous war and he is somehow held up as a great general.

I can't give Lee credit for knowing it was unwinnable, but carrying on as long as he did.

Yeah key, it's more patriotic to turn against family and friends as long as the paycheck comes from Uncle Satan.

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 01:43 AM
The man graduated from West Point without a single demerit.

Your sweet tart whitebread ass ( or mine for that matter ) can't come close to that level of self control for a fuckin' week, muchless four years.

Keystone
01-22-2011, 01:47 AM
Defeats can be heroic; Lee outstripped his Union counterparts in both skill and honour. If he had led the Army of the Potomac instead, the war would probably have been over in very short order.

Is that why you're chapped, that he didn't join the Union?
If R.E. Lee was such a great military intellect, instead of just being a bastion of Honorable Losing, why did he not realize that he didn't possess the Army of the Potomac, would never possess the Army of the Potomac and would never stop the eventual escalation of the North's industrial power to crush the Confederacy?
He fought for "honor" then, like in fairy tales?

Keystone
01-22-2011, 01:51 AM
The man graduated from West Point without a single demerit.

Your sweet tart whitebread ass ( or mine for that matter ) can't come close to that level of self control for a fuckin' week, muchless four years.
I go out and work for a living in the year 2011. That's great enough for me.

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 02:00 AM
I go out and work for a living in the year 2011. That's great enough for me.

That's admirable, Keystone. So do I, thanks be to God.

This is about knowing your betters. Men who are much better than you and me.

Petr
01-22-2011, 02:02 AM
Some stuff about Robert E. Lee's father:

The Panic of 1796-1797 and bankruptcy of Robert Morris reduced Lee's fortune. When Robert E. was two, his father served one year in debtor's prison in Montross, Virginia.[8][9]

On July 27, 1812, Lee received grave injuries while helping to resist an attack on his friend, Alexander Contee Hanson, editor of the Baltimore newspaper, The Federal Republican. Hanson was attacked by Democratic-Republican mob because his paper opposed the War of 1812. Lee and Hanson and two dozen other Federalists had taken refuge in the offices of the paper. The group surrendered to Baltimore city officials the next day and were jailed. Laborer George Woolslager led a mob that forced its way into the jail and removed and beat the Federalists over the next three hours. One Federalist, James Lingan, died.

Lee suffered extensive internal injuries as well as head and face wounds, and even his speech was affected. Lee later sailed to the West Indies in an effort to recuperate from his injuries. He died on 25 March 1818, at Dungeness, on Cumberland Island, Georgia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lee_III#Politics


Petr

Keystone
01-22-2011, 02:07 AM
That's admirable, Keystone. So do I, thanks be to God.

This is about knowing your betters. Men who are much better than you and me.
My departed dad was a much better man than Bobby Lee--- to me. He took care of me and loved me 'til the day he died.

Where do you begin and end in regards to your "betters"?

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 02:13 AM
Where do you begin and end in regards to your "betters"?


If you can't comprehend it at your age, then I'm afraid I can't help you.

Keystone
01-22-2011, 02:22 AM
If you can't comprehend it at your age, then I'm afraid I can't help you.
Indeed you can't. I've realized at my age I have no "betters", just fellow mortals who squabble for awhile on this world about mostly mundane things and then exit for good.

You should know this as a Catholic.

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 02:55 AM
No Keystone, you've evidently interpreted being Catholic INCORRECTLY.

We're all of "equal worth" in the eyes of God, and are worthy of salvation ( if we obey his commandments ) but we're not even close to being "equal" in the manner that our "public servants" proclaim it.

kevinwalsh
01-22-2011, 03:03 AM
I can understand why Lee turned down Lincoln's offer. What I don't understand is why he accepted command of Virginia's armies. Why not refuse to lead troops for either side and either retire or do some honest work?

Keystone
01-22-2011, 03:04 AM
"public servants"
I'm not making a political or racial argument here, Willie. Left or Right, White or Black, which is as mundane as you go.That's for typing on forums like this.

When you talk to St. Peter at the PG's, will he ask you about your political or racial opinions?

WillieBrennan
01-22-2011, 03:10 AM
So is there ANYTHING that Keystone would actually fight and die for?

Keystone
01-24-2011, 10:28 PM
So is there ANYTHING that Keystone would actually fight and die for?
It wouldn't be for Marse Robert or Abe Lincoln, that's for sure.

WillieBrennan
01-24-2011, 10:39 PM
So suppose a General in the American military who was known for his moral character, intellect and skill were to stand up and say that people in Pennsylvania and other states were not going to let the government goons beat and gas "protesters" in Pittsburgh during the G-20 meetings and would resist the Federal attempts to intervene?

Would you join up?

WillieBrennan
01-24-2011, 10:41 PM
Btw, it's good that you finally figured out he's Marse Robert and not your schoolyard chum "Bobby Lee".

Keystone
01-24-2011, 10:42 PM
So suppose a General in the American military who was known for his moral character, intellect and skill were to stand up and say that people in Pennsylvania and other states were not going to let the government goons beat and gas "protesters" in Pittsburgh during the G-20 meetings and would resist the Federal attempts to intervene?

Would you join up?
Would I have to secede from the USA first?

WillieBrennan
01-24-2011, 10:58 PM
Secession is a polite way of saying "we don't want to live with you anymore"

Killing the men who are sent to prevent it, is "rebellion".

You want to have your cake and eat it.

Typical Yankee.

Keystone
01-24-2011, 11:07 PM
Secession is a polite way of saying "we don't want to live with you anymore"

Killing the men who are sent to prevent it, is "rebellion".

You want to have your cake and eat it.

Typical Yankee.
You didn't answer my question. In your scenario, would my state have to secede from the USA to follow this general?

WillieBrennan
01-24-2011, 11:12 PM
Keystone, read my previous post.

Secession is the legislative equivalent of killing your G-20 friends.

So the answer is YES.

Keystone
01-24-2011, 11:17 PM
Keystone, read my previous post.

Secession is the legislative equivalent of killing your G-20 friends.

So the answer is YES.
Then my answer would be no. A fool's errand. Very brave of course, but a slaughter nonetheless.

WillieBrennan
01-24-2011, 11:29 PM
And unfortunately that's a good reason why you and your children and their children will continue to be used and then dropped off on the next corner like a ten dollar whore.

Keystone
01-24-2011, 11:39 PM
And unfortunately that's a good reason why you and your children and their children will continue to be used and then dropped off on the next corner like a ten dollar whore.
...and killed or marched off to prison when we're overwhelmed. Would your state support us Willie?

The romantic don't raise the dead.

WillieBrennan
01-24-2011, 11:47 PM
The romantic don't raise the dead.

Better to go down fighting on your two feet, than on your knees.

Call it "romance" or whatever your like, but 21st Century America could use a lot more of it.

Vindex
01-25-2011, 04:49 AM
General Sherman, was the one who understood the whole point of the affair the most, hence why he is still hated by many today. Jackson was the best man the South had in my belief(I respect Forrest the most personally). Lee is proof personal honor and smarts alone don't win wars, you still have to be a cruel, ruthless and underhanded, murderous bastard, along with cunning and intelligence. Thats why such "charming" souls fill the history books as the winners.

It's a mean reality, but I didn't make the universe.

rocco44
01-28-2011, 04:46 AM
If R.E. Lee was such a great military intellect, instead of just being a bastion of Honorable Losing, why did he not realize that he didn't possess the Army of the Potomac, would never possess the Army of the Potomac and would never stop the eventual escalation of the North's industrial power to crush the Confederacy?
He fought for "honor" then, like in fairy tales?

He knew all of this. The goal was to cause the Union to question if the war was worth continuing, to inflict enough damage to cause the people to demand that the fighting cease, leaving the Confederacy intact. The hope was that with those opposing Lincoln's dictatorial measures, northern copperheads and Democrats, western governors watching their powers diminish in respect to federal power, and those opposing the draft could build a strong enough coalition to force the fireeaters to end the war. It might have worked but once Grant was appointed and he and Lincoln settled on a strategy of continual offensives and inflicted irreplacable losses on Lee's armies the issue was no longer in doubt.

Secondly, people have fought for the concept of honor since time immemorial. The signers of the Declaration of Independence pledged among other things 'their sacred honor'.

Don Diego Vega
02-20-2011, 10:25 PM
From what I've studied Lee was a stubborn 'honorable' bastard who caused his country, north and south, far more casualties than neccessary, he should have 'retired' his troops months earlier saving America many thousands of lives.

Did anyone ever see the old film clip of Confederate and Union soldiers getting together for a 50th anniversary commemoration of the war, it was interesting, to moi.