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Ahknaton
05-10-2006, 05:01 AM
Interesting. I'd never heard of rockism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockism) before I read this article. "Rockism" is to music what "racism" is to politics. Little wonder that I agree with both :D Just another rockist cracker I guess

Blacklisted - Is Stephin Merritt a racist because he doesn't like hip-hop?

http://www.slate.com/id/2141421/

By John Cook
Posted Tuesday, May 9, 2006, at 4:13 PM ET

Stephin Merritt is an unlikely cracker. The creative force behind the Magnetic Fields, Merritt is diminutive, gay, and painfully intellectual. His music is witty and tender. He plays the ukulele. He named his Chihuahua after Irving Berlin. And yet no less an influential music critic than The New Yorker's Sasha Frere-Jones has used that word—"cracker"—to describe him. Frere-Jones has also called him "Stephin 'Southern Strategy' Merritt," presumably in reference to Richard Nixon's race-baiting attempt to crush the Democratic Party. These are heady words, part of a two-year online campaign of sorts by Frere-Jones and the Chicago Reader music contributor Jessica Hopper to brand Merritt a racist. The charge: He doesn't like hip-hop, and on those occasions when he's publicly discussed his personal music tastes, he has criticized black artists.

The bizarre case against Merritt came to a head last month at the Experience Music Project's annual Pop Conference. Merritt was the keynote speaker, and in a panel conversation he described "Zip-A-Dee Doo-Dah," from Disney's legendarily racist 1946 musical Song of the South, as a "great song." He made clear, according to a partial transcript of the panel provided by his band mate Claudia Gonson, that he did not actually like Song of the South, calling it unwatchable and saying that it has just "one great song. The rest of it is terrible, actually."

This was too much for Hopper, who was in the audience and had already written on her blog that she intended to confront Merritt. She walked out in anger and wrote, falsely, that, "I did not have to ask Stephin Merrit [sic] of Magnetic Flds whether he was racist, because his nice, long elucidating comment about his love, NAY, obsession with racist cartoon, Song of the South, served as a pre-emptive answer. It's one thing to have 'Zippitty Doo Da' be your favorite song. It is another to lay in for Uncle Remus appreciation hour amidst a panel—('I love all of it,' he says)."

Of course Merritt had said no such thing. Later, when confronted with a transcript of the panel, Hopper retracted her comments. But not before other bloggers picked up the meme. Frere-Jones linked to a list of favorite recordings of the 20th century—one for each year—that Merritt had written for Time Out New York six years ago and noted that few of the artists or composers were black. I have never met Merritt, and I have no idea whether or not he hates black people. But neither do Sasha Frere-Jones and Jessica Hopper. The evidence on which they base their claims and insinuations—the fact that Merritt doesn't enjoy listening to select black artists and doesn't like most hip-hop—is flimsy stuff. Moreover, the whole of their sustained attack against Merritt is founded on the dangerous and stupid notion that one's taste in music can be interrogated for signs of racist intent the same way a university's admissions process can: If the number of black artists in your iPod falls too far below 12.5 percent of the total, then you are violating someone's civil rights.

"I've obviously said it already," Hopper told me when I asked her flat-out if Merritt is a racist. "I think there's some real questionable shit in what he thinks about race and music." Asked where that "questionable shit" can be found, Hopper referred me to a 2004 Salon interview in which Merritt said that he liked "the first two years of rap," including the first Run DMC record, but that he finds contemporary hip-hop boring and—wait for it—racist. "I think it's shocking that we're not allowed to play coon songs anymore," Merritt said, "but people, both black and white, behave in more vicious caricatures of African-Americans than they had in the 19th century. It's grotesque. … It probably would have been considered too tasteless for the Christy Minstrels." In the same interview, he made the moral error of not liking OutKast, whose single "Hey Ya!" was at the time serving as America's background music: "I'm desperately sick of hearing it."

Around the same time, in a New York magazine interview, Merritt again dared to publicly express his boredom with OutKast and furthermore said of Justin Timberlake: "I'm not really exposed to him except as a photographic image. He gives good photo shoot." Of Beyoncé and Britney Spears: "[Spears] would be absolutely meaningless if we didn't see pictures of her. Beyoncé is not famous for her songs, she's famous for that outfit. Which is not necessarily a bad thing."

A reasonable person would understand two things from these comments: 1) that Merritt believes contemporary popular music, whether it's produced by white people (Timberlake and Spears), or black people (Beyoncé), to be more concerned with selling an image than recording and performing songs; and 2) that, like much of America, he had heard as much OutKast as he cared to. Frere-Jones, who writes cogently and seriously about hip-hop and plays guitar and sings in his own carefully disorganized (and quite good) rock band, surveyed the above and reacted as though Merritt had stood in the doorway of the University of Alabama's Foster Auditorium and declared that OutKast shall not pass. "[N]ote how eager Merritt is to dismiss Beyoncé, OutKast, Britney, and Justin, not just as singers and songwriters but as bearers of meaning. That's a bias. Two women, three people of color and one white artist openly in love with black American music. That's who he's biased against. You could say there's no pattern here. … You would then, hopefully, let me get a taste of whatever has made you so HIGH."

The final count in Merritt's indictment is a Playlist he wrote for the New York Times' Sunday Arts and Leisure section in May 2004. According to his band mate Gonson, the Times presented Merritt with a stack of forthcoming CDs to write about. He chose seven, and all of them were by white artists. To which Frere-Jones responded: "The new idea for Playlist at the New York Times is to find some rockist cracker and let him loose. … Let's watch Stephen [sic] Merritt swing a scythe through the fields of popular music with a blindfold on. Huh! Seven 'great' new pop records and not a person of color involved in a single one. That's one magical, coincidence-prone scythe you got there, Stephen."

I would refute Frere-Jones' posturing, but upon inspection there is no argument to refute. There is nothing but innuendo and implication. Frere-Jones is either too cowardly or too prudent to call Merritt a racist, but he doesn't have to—he lets sophistry do the work for him. It would be one thing if Frere-Jones were just some disgruntled OutKast fan with a MySpace page. But he is in fact a disgruntled OutKast fan with access to The New Yorker's pages and all the credibility and authority that go along with that. He ought to take the things he writes on his blog seriously.

I asked Frere-Jones what, precisely, he was trying to say about Merritt, but after promising to reply via e-mail, he never did. So, we are left to assume that his argument is something along the lines of: In order to not be racist, you have to like Beyoncé, or at least pretend to. Or we could give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he simply means that you must like, or publicly profess to like, some minimum number of black artists relative to the total number of artists you like. Which puts him in an awkward position with respect to Merritt, considering he has no earthly idea what other artists Merritt listens to, or why.

And even if he did: If black artists are underrepresented in my CD collection relative to the frequency with which black people are found in the general population, does that make me a racist? To even begin to believe that it does, you have to first maintain that racial preferences somehow logically relate to music preferences; that racists avoid music made by black people, and that people who aren't racist don't pay attention to the race of the artist when evaluating music. Both propositions are ludicrous. Anybody who has been to a frat party knows that people can simultaneously a) entertain racist attitudes and b) enjoy listening to hip-hop music created by black people. (In fact, Merritt's argument is that the latter tends to reinforce the former.)

By the same token, perfectly reasonable nonracist people take race and ethnicity into account in their musical preferences all the time. Hopper herself, whom I presume Frere-Jones would certify is kosher when it comes to the race-music axis, has complained bitterly on her blog of the "whiteness"—which she describes as "purposeful," "icky," and "dangerous"—of Merritt's music. So, if it sounds dangerously white, we can infer that she'd like it to sound like something else. More … what?

The closest thing to a coherent argument that can be gleaned from what Frere-Jones and Hopper are saying is that a genuine respect for our common dignity and humanity requires that we enjoy listening to hip-hop, and that we bend our intuitive aesthetic judgments about music to a political will—like eating our vegetables and avoiding dessert. "Zip-A-Dee Doo-Dah" may be catchy and delightfully mindless, but an understanding of its context requires you to reject its charms. And Beyoncé may be trite and boring, but your subtle racist ideology provokes that reaction, so you must find a way to appreciate her music.

And if you can't? Try harder, cracker.

John Cook is a writer and musician in Chicago.
Photographs of: Stephin Merritt by Paul Hawthorne/Getty Images; 50 Cent on the Slate home page © Reuters/Corbis.

Julian Curtis Lee
05-10-2006, 05:40 AM
What's to like about hearing an angry oaf shout?
What's to like about a harsh, simple, and repetitive drum beat absent any melody, sonic texture, or music?
What's to like about digital drum soungs and a heavy subwoofer base beat pounding your ears?
To my sensibilities it is barely music. It would be obnoxious whoever was putting it out.
It's giving Blacks a bad name.

Starr
05-10-2006, 06:16 AM
He actually doesn't have any praise for so-called music that consists of songs about gang-banging, drug dealing and bitches and hoes? He simply must be a racist to not be able to appreciate the enormous talent in that.

Dan Dare
05-10-2006, 07:19 AM
I have to say that, generally speaking, negros have shown remarkable talents for creating enjoyable music in the past but that talent seems to have deserted them in recent years.

Ahknaton
05-10-2006, 07:24 AM
I have to say that, generally speaking, negros have shown remarkable talents for creating enjoyable music in the past but that talent seems to have deserted them in recent years.
Agreed. I think they've been victims of the commodification of music more than most.

Hippias
05-10-2006, 10:08 AM
Better racist than tasteless.

Vindex
05-10-2006, 10:14 AM
They need to grow up. I would not except blacks to like classical and folk music they should not except Whites to like there rap music. Both styles are expressions of the different Races psyche. But rap music of today is degenerate giving what there lyrics are full of. And at the least the older black musicans could play a instrument with talent and sing.

Jonathan
05-10-2006, 10:17 AM
I don't like Norwegian Death Mental. Oh well, must be a race traitor :(

Eddy
05-10-2006, 12:05 PM
"Alternative" hip hop is much better than the Puffy nonsense that gets the most attention, IMO. I prefer De La Soul, Pharcyde, Hieroglyphics/Deltron, Jurassic 5, Roots, and Tribe Called Quest for rap. Intelligent lyrics and better music. A couple of them (De La, Tribe) might be recognizable since they got a short burst of attention in the 90's for the more jazzy laid back styles.

Count Eustace II
05-10-2006, 01:57 PM
Do the ones who criticize Stephin Merrit for not embracing hip-hop jungle coon rap realize that rock is actually dead? Killed by MTV and replaced with full un-ending promotion of negroid jungle chants and bling-bling. It's not enough for the Jewish establishment to see the White man making up his own mind. They tell you're insane and "racist" if you don't live it.

Berianidze
05-10-2006, 02:14 PM
I don't like Norwegian Death Mental. Oh well, must be a race traitor :(

Same. I abhor rap music and I know plenty of blacks and latinos who despise it as well--disliking rap has absolutely nothing to do with race whatsoever (albeit someone could say they don't like the rappers because they're black/latino. It's simply about a genre of music that lacks any sense of real quality. The lyrics are monotonous, the themes are basically either 1)how rich I just got, 2)how many bitches I can fuck, 3)how big my dick is, 4)riches again, 5)I like to use illicit drugs just for fun, 6)I grew up in the ghetto look at me now! If I were black I'd be absolutely embarassed by rappers and what rap (particularly mainstream rap) has become. The only rap I ever listen to on occasion is Immortal Technique--mostly because his lyrics actually tell a story and/or are about real world occurances, as well as his harsh criticisms of mainstream black culture and popular rap artists. To call this guy a racist is beyond comprehension, it's utterly retarded. If political correctness and the decency of tolerance has escalated into enforcing acceptance then it has exceeded its own purpose and will only create a harsher backlash.

O'Zebedee
05-10-2006, 03:44 PM
Lots of great underground hip-hop out there, but most - if not all - of the stuff you hear blasting out of cars is generic, boring crap. If that was all that I knew of the genre I'd definitely hate it.

Helios Panoptes
05-10-2006, 03:44 PM
I don't like Norwegian Death Mental. Oh well, must be a race traitor :(


You probably mean Norwegian black metal.

il ragno
05-10-2006, 04:22 PM
A friend of mine who is completely apolitical, let alone a racist, watched a rap video and said,, "No white guy could ever put out a song about nothing else but I got money, check out my Benz, I'm fucking bitches 24/7 - and not be attacked for it."

"By the same people who come in their shorts over shit like this", I added, quick to fan the sparks of Race Hate and corrupt another innocent..

Besides the fact that anyone with the gall to call themselves "Sasha Frere-Jones" needs a Bull Connor hosedown regardless of their skin color, I'm amused/alarmed by the message of this piece: you must love this nigger shit - not fake liking it, not restrict yourself to lip service, but love it with all your heart and mind...you must not just drink the Kool Aid - you must become the Kool Aid.

Or you're a human monster worse than any common everyday rapist or murderer.

But like I said in another thread, you're ether advancing or retreating. Especially when you think you're hermetically standing on the sideline, above the fray.

Lionheart
05-10-2006, 05:59 PM
Well, if you don't like the values presented by rap, you probably won't like the purveyors either. So there is probably some truth in the notion that if you don't like rap, you most likely don't like blacks either.

Billy Score
05-10-2006, 06:37 PM
Rap is disgusting and has a degenerative affect on its listeners. I can think of countless examples of reasonably intelligent people i knew growing up who became infected with this disease and turned into boorish, halfwitted intolerable disgraces.

Rap is not music. Rock is music, but very low quality, primitive music. Neither are good for society, although at least the latter is not entirely a loss.

And yes, anyone who criticizes rap while embracing your infantile "black metal" is hypocritical as black metal is an embarassment to whites (infact all metal save power metal or neo classical are an embarassment to whites). Sure they might have some good keyboard or guitar licks, but this does not change the fact that they are awful and childish.

Sinclair
05-10-2006, 07:03 PM
Well, at least the Wikipedia page on Stephen Merritt hasn't been turned into an edit war over this supposed racism. I honestly would have expected it to, because anything even vaguely controversial* on Wikipedia usually gets turned into a moronic edit war.

*What's funny is that even when there's no reasonable "controversy" over something, it can still be "controversial". Let's take homeopathy. The vastest majority of those who know what they are talking about, the people who follow the rules of science, will admit it is bunk: There is no explanation for how it "works" that makes sense, it's been proven that it doesn't work beyond the placebo effect in scientific studies, etc. Yet those who believe in it argue in its favour, as though they are on equal footing... This is especially seen on sites like Wikipedia. I believe that Wikipedia actually has a policy saying that there shouldn't be equal representation of different "theories", rather, representation should be related to validity and acceptance... But that's not how it ends up working in practice.

cerberus
05-10-2006, 07:29 PM
If you don't like rap, are you a racist?

Then I am a racist.

Starr
05-10-2006, 07:29 PM
what is really funny is the negro who doesn't like rap and will openly speak about it having harmful influences,etc. Other niggers will talk like he is the worse type of "sellout" imaginable.

Jofreidr_1488
05-13-2006, 02:34 PM
And yes, anyone who criticizes rap while embracing your infantile "black metal" is hypocritical as black metal is an embarassment to whites (infact all metal save power metal or neo classical are an embarassment to whites). Sure they might have some good keyboard or guitar licks, but this does not change the fact that they are awful and childish.

At least Black Metal-heads recognize N-tv for what it is and get off their duffs and try to create their own media and sub-culture.

Black Metal is worthy of White Support.

Hail Burzum!

Hail Absurd!

(not so sure about Darkthrone though, those guys lately seem to have abandoned alot of their past views and are going for some new 'ironic' phase, maybe they will pan out in the end though)

Slavic Enforcer
05-13-2006, 07:16 PM
Rap is crap!