"Do you want to live forever"?

[Universe-Hun]

The chick from "Conan" once asked. Who would of thought there actually might be a realistic validity to the seemingly rhetorical question. Well people like Aubrey de Grey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Grey), Ray Kurzweil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzweil)and others seem to think so.

If evolution has shown us anything it might not even be a question of yes or no but rather one of when.

While people have put forth different timelines, I'll keep it simple and ask: Are we living in the last century of natural death?

[Monty]

I already intend to live forever.

[Clarence Potter]

I dont kn ow. I think 'living forever' will have drastic unintended consequences for the world and im not sure its worth that. On the other hand if i was told i have six months to live im sure my mind would change rather fast.

[Universe-Hun]

I dont kn ow. I think 'living forever' will have drastic unintended consequences for the world and im not sure its worth that.

Thats what I try to wrap my mind around. There are 2 schools of thought on ridding ourselves of natural death and/or prolonging life expectancy by centuries.

The two schools being thru cell regeneration (biology) or d/l conscious (tech). The 2 names I posted represent each field.

Now assuming if one, or both come to fruition, I cannot fathom how it could, or should for that matter, be made available to the mass.

Defiantly a Pandora's box waiting to be opened. IMHO of course.

[littlewhitelies]

I fully intend to achieve physical immortality. Failing that I will have a cryonics contract to fall back on shortly. I think it will only be available to a few, willing to PAY for it. I think this should cost money and NOT be available to everyone.

[Clarence Potter]

I fully intend to achieve physical immortality. Failing that I will have a cryonics contract to fall back on shortly. I think it will only be available to a few, willing to PAY for it. I think this should cost money and NOT be available to everyone.

If its only fo the elite of society then you have different problems altogether. You want the ZOG living forever? Are our politicians gonna live forever too?

[littlewhitelies]

There is no ZOG...

... and politicians come and go. They aren't necessarily the elite of anything, they won a popularity contest.

Would you rather the unwashed masses have access to this? I don't.

[Clarence Potter]

There is no ZOG...

... and politicians come and go. They aren't necessarily the elite of anything, they won a popularity contest.

Would you rather the unwashed masses have access to this? I don't.

Alright do you believe in the NWO or freemasons? I just think the whole thing should be stopped before anyone gets it. You are essentially in the support of a technocracy.

[littlewhitelies]

Alright do you believe in the NWO or freemasons? I just think the whole thing should be stopped before anyone gets it. You are essentially in the support of a technocracy.

Nope its all bullshit. People that believe in this nonsense are just having a tough time adjusting to broad sweeping socio-technological change so they seek an outside agency (ZOG, Illuminati, Freemasons, God, Aliens) to give these changes and their part in it however insignificant, greater meaning than is realistically allotted.
New Dawner is a perfect example of this phenomena.

[Clarence Potter]

Nope its all bullshit. People that believe in this nonsense are just having a tough time adjusting to broad sweeping socio-technological change so they seek an outside agency (ZOG, Illuminati, Freemasons, God, Aliens) to give these changes and their part in it however insignificant, greater meaning than is realistically allotted.
New Dawner is a perfect example of this phenomena.

He sounded pretty wacky but i dont think its so far fetched to believe in secret societys that run the show..so to speak.

[OVERWATCH]

I doubt that a life extended radically beyond a normal long lifespan via artificial means would be much worth living, at least not in this century.

[harjit]

I doubt that a life extended radically beyond a normal long lifespan via artificial means would be much worth living, at least not in this century.
Are you kidding?? Just think of how many more places you can travel to in that extra time! How many more books you can read.

[littlewhitelies]

He sounded pretty wacky but i dont think its so far fetched to believe in secret societys that run the show..so to speak.

Some groups wield an inordinate power over certain areas, like say the Jews and the media but that's a result of natural genetic talents and group tendencies that propels them into these areas.

[OVERWATCH]

Are you kidding?? Just think of how many more places you can travel to in that extra time! How many more books you can read.

Extension of life doesn't imply extension of quality of life, surely you know that. Who's to say that an artificially extended life would be capable of anything more than a static, perpetually sedentary existence, with senses barely functioning, if functioning at all?

Not to mention the possibility of chronic pain, madness, or worse.

[Kodos]

In this existence no.

[Clarence Potter]

After thinking about this some more and reading some of the above responses....no.This coming century will be the most bloody,depresssing,and utterly insane century we will ever face...i think at least.

[Blighter]

Are you kidding?? Just think of how many more places you can travel to in that extra time! How many more books you can read.

Stripped of all urgency people become less and less inclined to act. Anyone who wants to travel should travel now; anyone who wants to read should read now. People put things off because there is always tomorrow - an infinity of tomorrows is an infinity of putting things off.

I don't think that natural death will be beaten within the century, which is a relief because a world plagued perpetually by modern man is a fucking horrendous thought.

[PseudoCop]

Yes- with caveats.

I would still want to be able to kill myself- I don't want to be cursed to live a life I don't want.

I wouldn't age past my current age and I would be able to regenerate and heal from any injuries.

[il ragno]

Thats what I try to wrap my mind around. There are 2 schools of thought on ridding ourselves of natural death and/or prolonging life expectancy by centuries.

The two schools being thru cell regeneration (biology) or d/l conscious (tech). The 2 names I posted represent each field.

Now assuming if one, or both come to fruition, I cannot fathom how it could, or should for that matter, be made available to the mass.

You ain't got a thing to worry about, Bunky; the day such a notion becomes achievable reality......well, you ever see those In Case Of Nuclear Holocaust, Break Glass survivor-contingency plans they got drawn up for who gets airlifted into the impenetrable mountain bunker? Those same people are gonna get the Forever Juice - high-ranking political/military brass, industrialists 'n' oligarchs, their families, a few close friends, and enough excess perfect-10 pussy to ensure a running start at repopulation. Or in this case, breeding Generation Methuselah from scratch.


If it ever happens in my lifetime - while I still have the capability of speech and action - I will dedicate all my efforts to raising a rag-tag army of Dead Men Walking to ensure that every Immortal we find has his or her arms and legs amputated on the spot. Let's see how sweet All Of Eternity tastes when you're a bug-eyed, half-crazed wriggling torso on a blanket, watching the passing parade of mere mortals running, jumping, eating, drinking, fucking.....oh, and wiping their own asses....while never noticing you once. For, say, a thousand years or so.


I believe death is a disease to be overcome.
Not after you've been hit by a commuter bus, it ain't.

[Burrhus]

Originally Posted by littlewhitelies
There is no ZOG...

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[Julian Curtis Lee]

Living forever is inevitable.
However, if one gets the predilection, neurosis, or attachment to the notion
one can make himself inert and play like stone, crabgrass, etc.
For a time. Until that starts to bore or annoy one.

[Angler]

There is a possibility that in the foreseeable future science will figure out how to halt or greatly slow natural aging. But even then people will still die from diseases and injuries. I definitely don't think natural death is likely to be completely eliminated in this century.

There is no ZOG...There certainly is, and there's nothing secret about it. The term "ZOG" is nothing more than way of referring to the US government while noting the fact that its foreign policy (and a lot of domestic policy) is controlled by AIPAC and other Zionist groups and individuals. Basically, if you believe that Congress and the White House are under the thumb of pro-Israel lobbyists and Jewish infiltrators -- and anyone with a brain knows that this is clearly the case -- then you believe in ZOG.

[Vindex]

It's possible with the Magnum Opus, which also brings superconscious state and the full powers of the psyche. As one looks back into the ancient past this was more common because the spiritual knowledge was still intact and taught for those who wanted to advance themselves in the Priesthoods. This was removed over time, by the jews with their tool of xiantiy.

Science today is coming up with things that do extend life, but does not effect the conscious to any higher degree.

[Croesus]

Time is a mockery. To live forever is to be a fool forever.

[Lisa]

The chick from "Conan" once asked. Who would of thought there actually might be a realistic validity to the seemingly rhetorical question. Well people like Aubrey de Grey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Grey), Ray Kurzweil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Kurzweil)and others seem to think so.

If evolution has shown us anything it might not even be a question of yes or no but rather one of when.

While people have put forth different timelines, I'll keep it simple and ask: Are we living in the last century of natural death?

The Soul does live forever.

[Universe-Hun]

The Soul does live forever.

Oh yeah..."The soul"...Thats a whole other discussion, nothing to do with the question posted.

[littlewhitelies]

The Soul does live forever.

Dead is dead there is no soul.(yoda)

[Lamar]

The Soul does live forever.
Does not. What is a "soul" anyway? Something niggers have more of than whites?

[Universe-Hun]

Does not. What is a "soul" anyway? Something niggers have more of than whites?

I think is some sort of food that involves the worst parts of a pig.

[Othello]

Yes i do. Life is great, why should it be the end of everything when you die? The oldest person that has ever lived was about 121 years or so, i would like to live for 121 million years or 121 billion years.
Maybe in the near future there are some ways this is possible:

1. There are already things happening with celluar renewal that stops or slows down the aging process, or nanomachines, to clean up diseases or to fix damaged organs.
2. By merging our bodies with machine or biological, artificial components, we can become cyborgs or androids, but i think this would not be the ideal case.
3. Singularity; the plugging of the brain in the machine/matrix and act like a robot/AI for eternity, is this the next (or final) step in evolution? Boring i must admit.

I'm thinking about cryonics, but it's still in the early stage, and no one has been revived yet, then again, it only does exist since a few years ago.
Then practical stuff: I'm in Europe and there's 2 institutes in the US. Recently i saw one going to open somewhere in Russia but on the photo's it looked a bit amateuristic.
They must start the treatment as soon as possible, because the brain dies within 15 minutes after the heart stops beating, so going on a plane etcetera will be too complex i guess, if it isn't too late already.
I also read something about a bracelet that will go off if you die, so the team can track you down. Moving to the states isn't an option, because of all the entry conditions (but that's another discussion).
It's no 100% guarantee, things can go wrong such as natural disasters, or end-of-the-world scenario's, computer errors, you name it.
Now the thing i'm curious about, is what happens to the soul? Is it trapped for thousands of years inside a frozen body? If so, will it be like a long hibernation or is the soul conscious and feels like it will be in hell or does it return upon when one is revived? Or is the person different? Nobody knows...

[Knut]

I wouldn't want to live for more than a hundred years or so even if I could, at least not in this present time. This world is not a happy place to be in and seems to be getting worse as time goes by.

Personally I'm a creationist and do not believe in evolution, but for the sake of discussion I thought about it with that viewpoint in mind and I'd say its still unlikely. I did a search to find the oldest living organism (aside from plants) and came up with the The giant barrel sponge at around 2300 years (a simple two minute google search so I could be wrong). But I wouldn't really call that a very complex organism. So from what I've gathered the most complex lifeforms on the planet would be either humans or dolphins and neither have a very long lifespan. May someday live as long as the common tortoise but unless humans could build up an immunity from all the harmful radiation from space I just don't see it happening before an inevitable extinction.

[PsychoStick]

I wouldn't want to live for more than a hundred years or so even if I could, at least not in this present time. This world is not a happy place to be in and seems to be getting worse as time goes by.


I'm in total agreement with you on this point. I imagine that if someone had been alive 200 years ago and were to see what was happening today he would probably wish he was dead.

[Brett]

Nope its all bullshit. People that believe in this nonsense are just having a tough time adjusting to broad sweeping socio-technological change so they seek an outside agency (ZOG, Illuminati, Freemasons, God, Aliens) to give these changes and their part in it however insignificant, greater meaning than is realistically allotted.
New Dawner is a perfect example of this phenomena.

There is a plan to create a Euro-Mediterranean bloc that could be partially assimilated into the EU bloc (i.e. citizens of those countries in North Africa and the Middle East could be allocated freedom of movement privileges in the EU similar to those enjoyed by the nationals of Norway, Switzerland and Iceland).

This is not something that has been made up. It's not something that people need to believe to make their lives more interesting and and it's not something that would happen naturally without politicians conceiving of it and formulating policy to enable it.

In other words, our leaders look as if they may be planning to empty north Africa and the Middle East fully into western Europe. Yes, this is a problem, and it's not too much of a surprise if people are struggling mentally to cope with what is essentially an indirect attack by the world military power on the lives of themselves and their families. I can certainly forgive them for it.

[Macrobius]

Nam Sibyllam quidem Cumis ego ipse oculis meis
vidi in ampulla pendere, et cum illi pueri dicerent:
Sibylla ti theleis; respondebat illa: apothanein thelo.

[PsychoStick]

If you actually could live forever, wouldn't you be drastically behind the times and even possibly considered stupid? By the time I die I won't be able to keep up with technology like i struggle to do now. By the time I die cell phones will be the center-point of every human life, or so it seems. I'm even told that watches will disappear over the next generation because of cell phones.

And what's worse, what if you achieve immortality just to develop alzheimers when you're 100 years old? Now you have an eternity of suffering, a man made hell of your own creation? No thanks.

I'm sure over-population would become a serious problem in short order also.

[Λευκός εθνικιστής]

I've already seen way way too much.

Pull the plug now.I'm way past my "use by" date already.

[littlewhitelies]

There is a plan to create a Euro-Mediterranean bloc that could be partially assimilated into the EU bloc (i.e. citizens of those countries in North Africa and the Middle East could be allocated freedom of movement privileges in the EU similar to those enjoyed by the nationals of Norway, Switzerland and Iceland).

This is not something that has been made up. It's not something that people need to believe to make their lives more interesting and and it's not something that would happen naturally without politicians conceiving of it and formulating policy to enable it.

In other words, our leaders look as if they may be planning to empty north Africa and the Middle East fully into western Europe. Yes, this is a problem, and it's not too much of a surprise if people are struggling mentally to cope with what is essentially an indirect attack by the world military power on the lives of themselves and their families. I can certainly forgive them for it.


Well it must be true, it's on the Internet...

[Connor Macleod]

No. I would explain why but it'll just be considered 'depressing shit.'

[Schizo]

Are we living in the last century of natural death?[/B]
This question is very idiotic, so much that is totally unintelligible!

About the question of the 'eternal life' you should define how you imagine it.

[PsychoStick]

This question is very idiotic, so much that is totally unintelligible!

About the question of the 'eternal life' you should define how you imagine it.

The question seems pretty straight forward to me. It's asking are we living in the last century of people dying of old age? Which is a reasonable question if you consider how fast technology and health science is evolving.

[littlewhitelies]

No. I would explain why but it'll just be considered 'depressing shit.'


As opposed to 'retarded shit'?

[Silent Despair]

At the moment, I'll say yes. I don't want to miss out on the things future generations may learn and discover, and it would be even more interesting watching civilizations rise and fall.

[Mackie]

"Life would be without meaning, if no one ever died; said the grave digger." -A finnish proverb.

[Universe-Hun]

People are still going to die, just, natural death will be pushed back a bit, that is unless Tran-humanism has its way then the possibilities could be endless, but that opens a whole other door as to what is human and so on.

[DonaldT]

Are we living in the last century of natural death?

If so, I can't help but feel a little ripped off.

[AE911TRUTH]

I'll keep it simple and ask: Are we living in the last century of natural death?

Not sure, because technology will go forward another 89 years.

[Universe-Hun]

Not sure, because technology will go forward another 89 years.

Yeah thats the point. Aubrey DeGrey author of Ending Aging (http://www.amazon.com/Ending-Aging-Rejuvenation-Breakthroughs-Lifetime/dp/0312367066) speaks about a "longevity escape velocity" which is basically saying: as the results in slowing down aging and prolonging healthy life continue to gain positive results (which they are, even as we speak) that lives will be prolonged long enough so that the person/people are around for the next big breakthrough and so on.

They use the "law of accelerating returns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Accelerating_Returns)" to suggest once there is one breakthrough, many more will follow in a relatively short time; like flying, went from Wright brothers to space in a short period of time, as opposed to not knowing how to fly for thousands of years before.

[Ahknaton]

Now the thing i'm curious about, is what happens to the soul? Is it trapped for thousands of years inside a frozen body? If so, will it be like a long hibernation or is the soul conscious and feels like it will be in hell or does it return upon when one is revived? Or is the person different? Nobody knows...
I've wondered about this too. It's a problem both for the view souls go to Heaven and also for reincarnation. Does the soul go to Heaven when the person dies and then get recalled when their body is revived (perhaps hundreds of years later)? If reincarnation is true, can they be reincarnated into other bodies and have other lives while the first one is frozen? What happens if it is revived when they are in the middle of one of their other lives then? Does the soul somehow "know" that the body is going to be revived eventually and therefore not go to heaven or be reincarnated? Perhaps the reanimated body simply has no soul?

The best solutions I can think of are a) souls don't exist or b) souls go to heaven (or hell) but that this happens somehow outside of time or at the end of time, so there is no possibility of a "recall" being necessary.

What makes these puzzles surrounding cryogenic freezing and reanimation so interesting is that unlike other thought experiments about the soul and individual identity (involving teleporters etc), cryogenics could soon be a reality.

[byrnecres]

I don't especially relish the prospect of being dead...so yes, living forever would certainly be nice, assuming the world is still livable, of course.

[Dapper Old Gent]

I wouldn't mind living forever as long as I was healthy, wealthy, happy and wise. Happiness would be the biggest issue, I wouldn't want to end up like the Biblical Cain, cursed to wander the Earth miserable.

At the moment feeding my family and keeping a roof over their heads seems to be my biggest issue, money isn't exactly flowing in the torrents it did only 5 years ago. I also cannot image living forever if my partner cannot join me, watching her grow old and die while I remained the same age as now would destroy me inside for a long time I think. I would also like to look like I was 10 years ago, perhaps even have the innocence I had back then. I can see why sparkly vampires tend to be in their late teens, it would be nice to go to school every day rather than have to work.

I want to travel to new planets, see things I've never seen before. I've travelled around the world numerous times now, backpacking through countries most people wouldn't dare to travel through. I've seen the best of humanity and the worst and yet I'd still like to see more of what humanity and this planet has to offer.

[Qwerty]

I fully intend to achieve physical immortality. Failing that I will have a cryonics contract to fall back on shortly. I think it will only be available to a few, willing to PAY for it. I think this should cost money and NOT be available to everyone.

You ARE already immortal, your body isn't though, and if you live too long, in your physical body, you can actually have your soul bound into matter, and have your soul destroyed, you will lose your interest in life, by being too safe, fearful.

This is the greater , higher purpose of what is going on now, these demons don't want to murder white people...yet, they want to murder and torture the souls of the Nazis. This was part of the Nazi occult, they knew all about the afterlife, and were instructed in how to fight, after death, it is an art, to become self aware, in the astral plane.

As the great demon once said, fear not those who can murder the body, but those who are can murder the soul.

The Motto of the SS, was, the body is nothing, the soul is everything. If is the soul that shapes and gives life to your dead flesh, it is your soul that repairs and regenerates cells. They brainwash you into not believing this, so they can murder your soul.

That is basically what drugs do, they bind your soul to physical matter, just like sexual addiction does. That is why they pump all this porn into your face, it's to murder your soul. You can even become bound to food addiction, you can lose your soul simply by eating too much. That's why they massively subsidize cheap, fattening foods, food is way cheaper than it costs to produce at fast food restaurants and grocery stores.

And after your soul dies, and your consciousness is extinquished, these entities enter your body and take over and you are not even aware, you no longer exist, the demon inside the hollowed out shell knows though, that it's now in your dead body, giving it it's own life now, and these 'people' are now all around you. The living dead, shells inhabited by ghosts of the damned. They love to pretend to be homosexuals, the soul dead white women, the things inside them, run around chasing blacks, being lesbians.

Christianity is a black magic spell, that murders your soul. It even says so, in the bible. It says your will has 'been taken captive', that you've been 'slain in the spirit'. Yahweh says of the jews, 'they shall be my people, and I shall move among them', meaning he shall pass amongst them, inhabiting their bodies, possessing them. They are all one mind, the mind of Satan. Many bodies, one mind.

http://www.she-philosopher.com/images/gallery/exhibits/Hobbes-det(350x302).jpg

A representation of Satan, by the philosopher Thomas Hobbes. One person, made of many.

Even the latin phrase on the dollar, 'E Pluribus, Unum' , 'out of many, one' alludes to Satan.

[Qwerty]

and as your souls die slowly, you will be totally unaware that is even happening, you will be sedated by the poison injected into your brain.

You will think the devils thoughts, are your own, and take comfort in the illusion of self possession.

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As far as this wasp, using this cockroach like a zombie, Don't think that highly evolved entities, from other worlds, have not evolved similar uses for humans.