WORST President(s) of the 20th & 21st Centuries

[Jake Featherston]

Who are the worst President(s) of the 20th & 21st centuries?

[Daniel Shays]

FDR and Wilson standout for their egregious policies that fly in the face of our Founding Fathers and also bringing civilization to its knees... twice.

[Kodos]

Starr how the fuck is Ike one of the worst? He did have a possible chance to kill social security but thought it was still political suicide and he did keep the Brits and Israelis from wiping Naser out... otherwise a good prez.

[Jake Featherston]

I had difficulty narrowing it down to just five: Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Clinton, and Bush Jr.

[Kodos]

I'd scratch FDR... as much as I didn't like his domestic policy coming out of WWII we were a very very strong country.

[WFHermans]

Wilson, Roosevelt (the one that gave away half of Europe and half of Asia to the Soviets), Johnson, Bush baby.

[Dienekes]

I am a little on the fence with FDR because I admire a lot of his handling of the war, but the long term effects of his domestic policies are a plague on the country to this day.

[Count Eustace II]

W Bush: Worst.President.Ever.

Reason: He got this country into a heinous lose-lose disaster in Iraq while he's non-existent on domestic policies as well. Wilson, FDR, LBJ were all despicable for involving America in other people's wars, but they might've done one or two good things for ordinary Americans. George W has done absolutely nothing good for ordinary Americans.

[Fade the Butcher]

I voted for Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Dubya.

[Fade the Butcher]

I am a little on the fence with FDR because I admire a lot of his handling of the war, but the long term effects of his domestic policies are a plague on the country to this day.

The TVA was such a horrible thing.

[Fade the Butcher]

Wilson, Roosevelt (the one that gave away half of Europe and half of Asia to the Soviets), Johnson, Bush baby.

Wilson was the most racist president of the twentieth century. He invaded Mexico, segregated the federal government, and signed New Jersey's sterilization legislation into law as Governor of New Jersey. I'm not the biggest fan of his foreign policy, but he didn't get his way with the League of Nations.

[Fade the Butcher]

I'd scratch FDR... as much as I didn't like his domestic policy coming out of WWII we were a very very strong country.

Why? Hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens from Mexico were deported under FDR. FDR wasn't a big supporter of civil rights either.

[Fade the Butcher]

FDR and Wilson standout for their egregious policies that fly in the face of our Founding Fathers and also bringing civilization to its knees... twice.

Not really. Segregation expanded under Wilson and was ignored for the most part by FDR. It was Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and LBJ who were responsible for imposing civil rights reform on America.

[Fade the Butcher]

Starr how the fuck is Ike one of the worst? He did have a possible chance to kill social security but thought it was still political suicide and he did keep the Brits and Israelis from wiping Naser out... otherwise a good prez.

Little Rock, Arkansas, anyone?

[Felix the Cat]

I'd say it's still too early to call judgement on Clinton and the two Bushes

[Ravenheart]

I voted for Roosevelt because of his hypocritical role in the Second World War, which ultimately served the cause of Bolshevism and destroyed the European and East Asian Empires.

[Kodos]

Wilson was the most racist president of the twentieth century. He invaded Mexico, segregated the federal government, and signed New Jersey's sterilization legislation into law as Governor of New Jersey. I'm not the biggest fan of his foreign policy, but he didn't get his way with the League of Nations.

Fade Wilson was the worst President in American history.

1) Income Tax
2) Women's Suffrage
3) "Democracy and Self Determination"
4) Destruction of Prussia and the European Empires leading to the rise of Hitler Communism and Militant Islam
5) Even his invasion of Mexico was some half ass Democracy bullshit
6) Very high level of immigration, it was under Harding the immigration restrictions were enacted.
7) WOD, minimum wage etc... lots of other little "progressive" bullshit
8) Federal employees should be integrated to lessen their zeal to impose diversity on the rest of us.
9) His support for eugenics doesn't make up for all this
10) I'm not sure when mandatory public education( beyond basic literacy) came into being at the State level but Woodrow's progressive crew was for it.

I'm willing to concede that FDR had many good points to go along with the bad but Wilson was an unmitigated disaster.

[Kodos]

Little Rock, Arkansas, anyone?

More then made up for by Operation Wetback especially since integration would have happened anyway.

[Kodos]

I'd say it's still too early to call judgement on Clinton and the two Bushes

Dubya is going to get a horrible historical review, he has vetoed nothing... his old man wasn't great either.

Clinton could get a "mediocre" except he gave nuclear technology to North Korea...

[Fade the Butcher]

Fade Wilson was the worst President in American history.

That's absurd. The worst president in U.S. history was LBJ (although Dubya is closing fast).

1) Income Tax

Something we should obviously be opposed to: shifting the burden of taxation from the poor to the wealthy.

2) Women's Suffrage

I'm a eugenicist, not a sexist.

3) "Democracy and Self Determination"

The U.S. was a democracy before the Wilson administration, Weikel.

4) Destruction of Prussia and the European Empires leading to the rise of Hitler Communism and Militant Islam

The British and French were responsible for this. Wilson didn't get his way at Paris.

5) Even his invasion of Mexico was some half ass Democracy bullshit

He attacked Mexico. You won't see me complaining about that.

6) Very high level of immigration, it was under Harding the immigration restrictions were enacted.

Immigrants had been pouring into the United States since the 1890s. Wilson vetoed the legislation, but that hardly makes him the worst president in American history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1917

On February 5, 1917, Congress forcibly passed the Immigration Act of 1917 (also known as the Asiatic Barred Zone Act) with overwhelming majority, overriding President Woodrow Wilson's December 14, 1916 veto. This act added to the number of undesirables banned from entering the country, including but not limited to, “idiots,” “feeble-minded persons,” “epileptics,” “insane persons,” alcoholics, “professional beggars,” all persons “mentally or physically defective,” polygamists, and anarchists. Furthermore, it barred all immigrants over the age of sixteen who were illiterate. The most controversial part of the law was the section that designated an “Asiatic Barred Zone,” a region that included much of eastern Asia and the Pacific Islands from which people could not immigrate. Previously, only the Chinese had been excluded from admission to the country.

7) WOD, minimum wage etc... lots of other little "progressive" bullshit

Ah yes. The minimum wage was obviously a huge tragedy. That's something that we should really be opposed to: trying to lift working people out of poverty.

8) Federal employees should be integrated to lessen their zeal to impose diversity on the rest of us.

The federal government was segregated under Wilson. It has previously been integrated.

9) His support for eugenics doesn't make up for all this

His support for racialism, eugenics, segregation, and progressive legislation makes him one of the best presidents of the twentieth century.

10) I'm not sure when mandatory public education( beyond basic literacy) came into being at the State level but Woodrow's progressive crew was for it.

What is your objection to public education?

I'm willing to concede that FDR had many good points to go along with the bad but Wilson was an unmitigated disaster.

Wilson was a disaster for the United States? How? Wilson invaded Mexico. He signed a eugenic sterilization bill into law as Governor of New Jersey. He segregated the federal government. He applauded The Birth of a Nation. He wasn't perfect, but he was far from being the worst president in American history.

[Fade the Butcher]

How was Woodrow Wilson the worst president in American history?

"If Theodore Roosevelt was no true advocate of racial equality, as we have sen, Republican treatment of blacks grew worse yet under Roosevelt's successor, William Howard Taft, elected in the racial gloom of 1908. Taft did not believe blacks should be appointed to office anywhere whites might object, which meant just about everywhere in America. In any case, Taft explained to a black audience, "Your race is adapted to be a race of farmers, first, last and for all time." He also reassured southern whites that the Fifteenth Amendment did not bar their efforts to prevent "domination by an ignorant electorate."

Yet even though Taft and other Northern Republicans played lead roles in colonial expansion and, eventually, immigration restriction, they still only grudgingly acquiesced in, rather than sponsered, the development of Jim Crow. That was chiefly the work of southern Democrats. Correspondingly, segregation gained the most support at the federal level when a southern Democrat turned northeastern "progressive," Woodrow Wilson, gained the White House due to the Roosevelt-Taft split in 1912.

Wilson, the son of a Confederate sympathizer, defended southern secession as a college freshman before going on to his graduate studies in the racist "Teutonic germ" school of U.S. history. Although Wilson eventually came to identify retroactively with the cause of national union against the South, throughout his life his scholarly writings still interpreted that union as the product of the "progress in civilization" made by the "stronger and nobler races," "principally" those of "Aryan" origins. Few southern whites disagreed.

In regard to blacks, Wilson was probably the most racist president of this century. In his A History of the American People, Wilson offered up the then typical portrayl of Reconstruction as "the veritable overthrow of civilization in the South." "Mere instinct of self-preservation" led whites to form vigilante groups like the Ku Klux Klan to free themselves from rule of "ignorant negroes" and stamp out the "incubus" of black voting. Later, as president of Princeton University, Wilson barred the entry of black students. In the White House, he enjoyed telling "darky stories," sometimes in dialect, to his Cabinet. In 1915, Wilson arranged for a White House screening of D.W. Griffth's film Birth of a Nation, based on the novel The Clansman by his Johns Hopkins classmate, Thomas Dixon. After seeing the film, the president (whose aforementioned description of Reconstruction's evils had been used in the film's title cards), praised it as "History written with lightning," adding, "my only regret is that it is all so terribly true." When Dixon wrote him to express concern that black employees of the federal government might be able to "boss white girls," Wilson replied reassuringly that the administration was "handling the force of colored people . . . in just the way they ought to be handled."

And what a way it was. Wilson's cabinet officers, disproportionately composed of white Southerners, greatly expanded segregation practices in federal agencies and kept African Americans in inferior jobs, despite rhetorical commitments to civil service "meritocratic" standards. On July 5, 1913, only one day after Wilson spoke at the fiftieth anniversary of the battle of Gettysburg, the Post Office began to segregate its black clerks. One week later, the Treasury Department established segregated toilets for its employees. The following year, the Civil Service Commission began requiring applicants for posts to provide photographs, and job acceptances and assignments soon generally followed inegalitarian racial lines. Wilson himself explicitly endorsed "the segregation that is being attempted in several departments" as "distinctly to the advantage of the colored people themselves," while denying that the system posed any barriers to their advancement."

Klinker and Smith, p.109-110

[Kodos]

Defending the indefensible again eh...


Something we should obviously be opposed to: shifting the burden of taxation from the poor to the wealthy.

It does no such thing as the truely wealthy will always be able to avoid any kind of taxation with any murky definition like "income" involved. Though I'm not a huge fan of protectionism( though I've warmed a bit) tariffs > income taxes since it taxes foreign industry at least as much as your own.


I'm a eugenicist, not a sexist.

Compare Switzerland to the rest of Europe and know that they held out against giving women the vote until 1972 and it shall become clear.


The U.S. was a democracy before the Wilson administration, Weikel.

Well there was no direct election of senators :D, but I'm reffering to the whole ETHOS of the Wilson administration both foreign and domestic. TR's belief in ruthlessly doing what is nessecary to safeguard our interest( a much healthier ethos) was pushed aside for this idealistic claptrap.


Immigrants had been pouring into the United States since the 1890s. Wilson vetoed the legislation, but that hardly makes him the worst president in American history.

These things add up :D.


Ah yes. The minimum wage was obviously a huge tragedy. That's something that we should really be opposed to: trying to lift working people out of poverty.

You replace tariffs with income taxes and jack up the minimum wage and prettysoon investors start investing elsewhere... this is more of a problem today.


The federal government was segregated under Wilson. It has previously been integrated.

So why is this a good thing. Besides I only hate niggers not all black people :D and niggers are rarely gainfully employed even with the government.


His support for racialism, eugenics, segregation, and progressive legislation makes him one of the best presidents of the twentieth century.

I don't like progressive legislation, and informal natural segregation is best( when I was in Virginia I noticed it was much less segregated then the North).



The British and French were responsible for this. Wilson didn't get his way at Paris.

The British wanted to keep them intact( they did want boku reparations but otherwise wanted to keep the boundaries prettymuch the same), Wilson in the end supported the French.


What is your objection to public education?

Beyond basic literacy and arithematic most people don't get anything out of it except a traumatic childhood, and if it does exist you should be able to specialize from early on. A carpenter has no need to learn algebra nor does a scientist need to waste his time with existentalism.


Wilson was a disaster for the United States? How? Wilson invaded Mexico. He signed a eugenic sterilization bill into law as Governor of New Jersey. He segregated the federal government. He applauded The Birth of a Nation. He wasn't perfect, but he was far from being the worst president in American history.

The worst... before LBJ and Dubya.

[Felix the Cat]

People who denounce Wilson as a warmonger should remember that Taft and Roosevelt were calling for war with Germany as early as 1915

[Kodos]

People who denounce Wilson as a warmonger should remember that Taft and Roosevelt were calling for war with Germany as early as 1915

Teddy Roosevelt would have gotten a peace settlement that wasn't such a clusterfuck.

[IlluSionS667]

As some have already pointed out, it were Wilson and FDR who handed the United States of America to the NWO/ZOG. That's why I voted for them, next to idiot Bush.

[Daniel Shays]

Not really. Segregation expanded under Wilson and was ignored for the most part by FDR. It was Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and LBJ who were responsible for imposing civil rights reform on America.
Domestically Wilson was sound (especially on integration of Europeans) but his foreign policy was messianist, he was in a downward spiral and dragged Western Civilization along with him. He gave Germany an honorless suckerpunch it has never recovered from and fanned the animosities of the non-White British colonies to flame. He could be forgiven for America's entry into WWI but he can never be forgiven for the 14 knives he gored into the back of the White world.

[Felix the Cat]

It should also be remembered that the British and French governments wanted to reject the German armistice offer of November 1918, and continue fighting, with the objective of invading and conquering Germany

Wilson threatened to withdraw from the war and negotiate a separate peace with Germany unless they backed down

These are not the actions of a malevolent German-hater

[Kodos]

It should also be remembered that the British and French governments wanted to reject the German armistice offer of November 1918

Only the French, the British were with the American camp on this.

[Fade the Butcher]

These are not the actions of a malevolent German-hater

Wilson was serious about the Fourteen Points. It was the British and French who later thwarted his plan at Paris.

[il ragno]

You're not in bed with FDR ten minutes before you're flirting with Wilson; you're such a dog, Fade.

[Fade the Butcher]

You're not in bed with FDR ten minutes before you're flirting with Wilson; you're such a dog, Fade.

I still like FDR. He doesn't deserve the bad rap had he has gotten amongst racialists. It was Truman, not FDR, who really initiated the sea change in federal civil rights policy. The GOP also ran against FDR on a civil rights platform in 1940 under Wilkie and in 1944 under Dewey.

[Fade the Butcher]

It does no such thing as the truely wealthy will always be able to avoid any kind of taxation with any murky definition like "income" involved. Though I'm not a huge fan of protectionism( though I've warmed a bit) tariffs > income taxes since it taxes foreign industry at least as much as your own.

If the truly wealthy are so easily able to taxation, then why is the income tax so problematic? It would be ineffective, right? Say, what percentage of federal revenues are derived from the income tax?

Compare Switzerland to the rest of Europe and know that they held out against giving women the vote until 1972 and it shall become clear.

Why do you oppose women's suffrage? It's not like women are really that less intelligent than men. There are plenty of women who are far more intelligent than the average man too.

Well there was no direct election of senators :D, but I'm reffering to the whole ETHOS of the Wilson administration both foreign and domestic. TR's belief in ruthlessly doing what is nessecary to safeguard our interest( a much healthier ethos) was pushed aside for this idealistic claptrap.

Would you rather have John McCain and Ted Kennedy not stand for election?

These things add up :D.

Wilson wasn't particularly bad on immigration and neither was FDR. The same cannot be said of Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Reagan, Bush the Elder, or Dubya.

You replace tariffs with income taxes and jack up the minimum wage and prettysoon investors start investing elsewhere... this is more of a problem today.

I'm not seeing how relaxing constraints on the mobility of capital is promoting investment in the United States or is necessarily a positive thing. Just look at what happened to Thailand in the late 1990s.

So why is this a good thing. Besides I only hate niggers not all black people :D and niggers are rarely gainfully employed even with the government.

It was a step forward to a more racialist society. Read the excerpt above. Wilson was the most racist president of the twentieth century.

I don't like progressive legislation, and informal natural segregation is best( when I was in Virginia I noticed it was much less segregated then the North).

It's bizarre. You favor radical laissez-faire capitalism, but are always complaining about how no one will hire you.

The British wanted to keep them intact( they did want boku reparations but otherwise wanted to keep the boundaries prettymuch the same), Wilson in the end supported the French.

Wilson was disgusted with the French.

Beyond basic literacy and arithematic most people don't get anything out of it except a traumatic childhood, and if it does exist you should be able to specialize from early on. A carpenter has no need to learn algebra nor does a scientist need to waste his time with existentalism.

We should be moving towards a more ignorant society, obviously.

The worst... before LBJ and Dubya.

Again, I see no reason why Wilson should count as one of the worst presidents in American history. I don't think we should have gotten involved in the Great War myself, but we won that war, and our involvement in it was minimal. In the aftermath of such a horrific slaughter, I don't see why an international organization dedicated to resolving disputes peacefully was such a bad idea either.

[Kodos]

If the truly wealthy are so easily able to taxation, then why is the income tax so problematic? It would be ineffective, right? Say, what percentage of federal revenues are derived from the income tax?


Its hardest on skilled workers and professionals at wage who can't hide any of their income. I don't think Bill Gates pays anything like you would expect him too though.


Why do you oppose women's suffrage? It's not like women are really that less intelligent than men. There are plenty of women who are far more intelligent than the average man too.

Because I notice women tend to be more liberal( in the humanitarian "Wilsonian" sense) and then using Switzerland as a control case with the rest of Europe... it becomes clear they are a causal factor in the rise of the nanny state.


Would you rather have John McCain and Ted Kennedy not stand for election?

Kennedy is going to be Senator until the day he dies anyway, hes got everyone convinced that Mass would get NO federal money if he goes away. Don't know about McCain. I think if Senators weren't directly elected his political career might not have survived Chappaquidick.


Wilson wasn't particularly bad on immigration and neither was FDR. The same cannot be said of Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Reagan, Bush the Elder, or Dubya.

I have not criticized FDR, I said I didn't agree with everything he did but he did leave the country in a very very strong position.

I'm not seeing how relaxing constraints on the mobility of capital is promoting investment in the United States or is necessarily a positive thing. Just look at what happened to Thailand in the late 1990s.

Asia is soaking up most of the world's investment dollars these days. I haven't studied the Thai currency crisis.

It was a step forward to a more racialist society. Read the excerpt above. Wilson was the most racist president of the twentieth century.

I'm not interested in progressive racialism, informal segregation( and sterilization of problem people) is fine with me. Repeal antidiscrimination laws and stop immigration. I don't favor forcing all black people to work as janitors maids and sharecroppers. You can always tell the smart ones apart from the real niggers anyway.


It's bizarre. You favor radical laissez-faire capitalism, but are always complaining about how no one will hire you.

I think I would have had a better chance before mandatory insurance and OSHA paperwork etc actually( which make the cost of any new hire that goes wrong dear in any big companies)... the bueracracy makes the hiring people less willing to take chances( my problem is social skills and a monotone voice).


Wilson was disgusted with the French.

But he backed them on recreating Poland for instance.


We should be moving towards a more ignorant society, obviously.


I'm just saying give people valueable work experience since I know now that counts with employers more then academic education.


Again, I see no reason why Wilson should count as one of the worst presidents in American history. I don't think we should have gotten involved in the Great War myself, but we won that war, and our involvement in it was minimal. In the aftermath of such a horrific slaughter, I don't see why an international organization dedicated to resolving disputes peacefully was such a bad idea either.

There are many reasons you just seem to think bueracratic America was a step forward over 19th century America( TR had already dealt with most of the truely negative aspects of a laissez faire society).

[Hippias]

FDR, for getting the US involved in World War Jew

Ike, for appointing Earl Warren to the Supreme Court.

LBJ, for signing into law the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Immigration Act of 1965, grossly expanding the federal government and prolonging the Vietnam War.

Nixon, for Affirmative Action.

Clinton, for NAFTA and GATT.

Bush, for his unswerving devotion to turning America into a mestizo sewer, waging war on Iraq and unbridled federal spending.

[IlluSionS667]

I still like FDR. He doesn't deserve the bad rap had he has gotten amongst racialists. It was Truman, not FDR, who really initiated the sea change in federal civil rights policy. The GOP also ran against FDR on a civil rights platform in 1940 under Wilkie and in 1944 under Dewey.

To understand what made both Wilson and Roosevelt a horrible president for US citizens as well as people in other countries, I recommend reading a book called "Der Masslose Kontinent; Roosevelt's Kampf um Die Weltherrschaft" by Giselher Wirsing. I'm not sure if it has been published in English, though. This book was printed during world war two and describes how the NWO slowly got control over the once free USA from the late 19th century until when the book was written and how this affected the rest of the world. The role of Wilson and Roosevelt is enormous.

At the time the book was written, most people would probably have dismissed it as German propaganda that bears little truth. A modern reader, however, clearly recognises the imperialist nature of the US as it is today, making the book far more believable than when it was written. Another thing that adds to the believability of this book is the fact that it is surprisingly mild on jews.

[Ravenheart]

These are not the actions of a malevolent German-hater

That would be a more accurate description of FDR.

I still like FDR. He doesn't deserve the bad rap had he has gotten amongst racialists.

I don't know American domestic politics well enough to comment on that, but FDR certainly deserves bad rap for his foreign politics.

[WFHermans]

Both Wilson and Roosevelt were insane haters of everything German.

Both abolished the First Amendment, jailed their opponents, and supported the mass starvation of Germans. While armed Mexican gangs entered the USA and killed Americans, Wilson sent the American army overseas to fight for zionist interests.

Wilson could lie as good as a rabbi. He narrowly beat his opponent Hughes by suggesting that Hughes wanted war and claiming that he himself was a man of peace and kept the USA out of the war.

[Jake Featherston]

The TVA was such a horrible thing.

FDR was a great man, who thus characteristically undertook great deeds. Some of those deeds were great goods (such as the TVA, on net), and some were great evils (such as torpedoing the British Empire). One can only be forgiven so many great evils.

[Jake Featherston]

Little Rock, Arkansas, anyone?

Touchee! Fuck "Ike!"

Although due to "Operation: Wetback," I didn't mark him down as one of the five worst.

[Kodos]

Touchee! Fuck "Ike!"


http://tesla.liketelevision.com/liketelevision/vip/vipgo.php?/liketelevision/videogen/watchit/watchit.php?channel=1048&parts=1&channel=1048&p=1

[Jake Featherston]

I'd say it's still too early to call judgement on Clinton and the two Bushes

What an optimist!

[Fade the Butcher]

Although due to "Operation: Wetback," I didn't mark him down as one of the five worst.

Same here.

[Kodos]

Same here.

Op Wetback > School Segregation issue by far...

[Jake Featherston]

The worst president in U.S. history was LBJ (although Dubya is closing fast).

I agree completely.

Something we should obviously be opposed to: shifting the burden of taxation from the poor to the wealthy...The minimum wage was obviously a huge tragedy. That's something that we should really be opposed to: trying to lift working people out of poverty.

You ever get the impression Weikel's parents do rather well?

Wilson was a disaster for the United States? How? Wilson invaded Mexico. He signed a eugenic sterilization bill into law as Governor of New Jersey. He segregated the federal government. He applauded The Birth of a Nation. He wasn't perfect, but he was far from being the worst president in American history.

He was a better man than he was President, as some might say of Jimmy Carter.

[Kodos]

You ever get the impression Weikel's parents do rather well?

They did before they got divorced, I don't think they ever did as well as Fade's.

[Jake Featherston]

It should also be remembered that the British and French governments wanted to reject the German armistice offer of November 1918, and continue fighting, with the objective of invading and conquering Germany

Wilson threatened to withdraw from the war and negotiate a separate peace with Germany unless they backed down

I wasn't aware of that; if definitely accrues to Wilson's favor.

It also isn't something FDR would have done, I note disdainfully.

[Jake Featherston]

You ever get the impression Weikel's parents do rather well?

They did before they got divorced, I don't think they ever did as well as Fade's.

O.K.*, it was a cheap shot, but how the Hell can you be against some form of minimum wage? Are you a Libertarian? Or just a plutocrat?


*Old Kinderhook

[Jake Featherston]

Here's a point for Weikel's anti-Wilson side: Mitchell Palmer, and the Palmer Raids.

[Kodos]

Here's a point for Weikel's anti-Wilson side: Mitchell Palmer, and the Palmer Raids.

Actually thats one of the few things I liked about the guy... but it was his wife giving the orders when those things happened not him.

[Daniel Shays]

I still like FDR. He doesn't deserve the bad rap had he has gotten amongst racialists. It was Truman, not FDR, who really initiated the sea change in federal civil rights policy. The GOP also ran against FDR on a civil rights platform in 1940 under Wilkie and in 1944 under Dewey.
He couldn't have pulled that off during the depression and he knew that he could never motivate America to fight his war while simultaneously jamming "civil rights" down their throat. It would have *gasp* proved Lindbergh correct.

Let's take a look at the judges FDR appointed:

Hugo Black
Stanley Reed
Felix Frankfurter
Frank Murphy
William Douglas
Harlan Stone
Rames Byrnes
Robert Jackson
Wiley Rutledge

Needless to say all that remained on the Warren Court ruled in favor of Brown.

I don't understand why you would like FDR when he was in the perfect place and time to institute racial statism and decided instead to destroy it and turn the keys over to Truman (he could have dropped him like he dropped other VPs).

[WFHermans]

People who denounce Wilson as a warmonger should remember that Taft and Roosevelt were calling for war with Germany as early as 1915
Are you sure about Taft? If that is true I regret a bit voting for him as "best president" although technically he did this after he had been president.

In 1916, insurgent against the Mexican government Pancho Villa crossed the U.S. border and attacked the town of Columbus, New Mexico; this was the sole invasion by a foreign armed corps of the continental U.S. in the 20th century. This raid led the U.S. to send a force under General John Pershing into Mexico, which spent almost a year unsuccessfully chasing him in the punitive Pancho Villa Expedition (March 1916 – February 1917). American troops were pulled back, exposing America to more terrorism from Mexico, and sent to Europe to fight for zionism.

So Wilson wasn't invading Mexico for American interests, he was aiding the government of Mexico. Wilson wasn't as bad a president as George W. Bush because he was against the rape of white women by niggers, while GWB supports that. Also, I think even Wilson wouldn't have invaded Germany with the help of Britain only.

[Felix the Cat]

Robert Massie, "Castles of Steel", p. 535, mentions that both Taft and Roosevelt called for war in response to the sinking of Lusitania

That the US stayed out was entirely due to Wilson

[Felix the Cat]

What an optimist!
I remember all the furious denunciations of Clinton back in the 1990s. However, I notice that opinions of him have mellowed somewhat since then

Incumbent presidents will always arouse disproportionate emotion.

Is Bush Jr. really worse than Johnson?

[WFHermans]

Did Wilson attack Germany because he couldn't keep his dick in his pants? That would make him more of a Clinton type than a Bush baby:

What helped to make moralistic Wilson a rabid interventionist was the illicit affair he had had with a colleague's wife, Mrs. Peck (remarried, Mrs. Hulburt). Her stepson needed $40,000 to keep him out of jail. The stepmother asked President Wilson for the money, in exchange for which she would return to him the packet of love letters he had written her. When Wilson could not pay this amount, Samuel Untermeyer rushed to the rescue: If President Wilson would appoint a Jew to the next vacancy on the Supreme Court, Untermeyer would settle Mrs. Peck's claim. Thus it happened that America was "blessed" with its first Jew on the Supreme Bench, and the interventionists on 18 January 1916 got a radical Zionist in a prestige position to help get America into World War 1.

On 2 April 1917, using as a pretext the sinking of the Sussex (which in fact had not been sunk), Wilson asked Congress on 2 April 1917, for a declaration of war against Germany. Dr. E.J. Dillon, in his The Inside Story of the Peace Conference, wrote, "Henceforth the world will be governed by the Anglo-Saxon peoples, who in turn are swayed by their Jewish elements" (See Grieb. op. cit., p.7).

Source (http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/1/1/App43-58.html)

In the 1916 presidential elections the republican opponent didn't want war either:

"Woodrow Wilson campaigned for reelection on a pledge of continued neutrality in the Great War in Europe. Hughes advocated a program of greater mobilization and preparedness. With Wilson having successfully pressured the Germans to suspend unrestricted submarine warfare, it was difficult for Hughes to attack Wilson's peace platform. Hughes was unable to make attacks on Wilson's intervention in Mexico stick, and his attacks on Wilson's pro-labor laws hurt him more than they helped."

Source (http://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-presidential-election-1916)

[WFHermans]

"The Democrats' campaign slogan, "He kept us out of war," was not favored by Wilson, who doubted his ability to maintain peace in an uncertain future. The views of Hughes and Wilson on American entrance into the war were quite similar. However, Hughes came to be labeled the war candidate largely because of Roosevelt's all too frequent sword-rattling speeches. Antiwar sentiment was very strong in the country in 1916. Roosevelt's effort to help Hughes may have cost him the election."

http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h888.html

[Felix the Cat]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/ElectoralCollege1916-Large.png/450px-ElectoralCollege1916-Large.png

Interesting that states with large German-American populations voted Republican

[Sulla the Dictator]

Is Bush Jr. really worse than Johnson?

No. Nor is he worse than Carter, IMO. It seems to be a combination of factors on this board that lead to this skewed vote. Notice that every President who fought the Germans is ALSO 'the worst'. :p

[WFHermans]

Of course every president who made war on Germany is a bad president. Washington was right when he warned Americans not to meddle in European affairs.

Bushbaby generously gives American money to Israel, so I'm not surprised that Sulla likes him. However he didn't bomb Germany yet.

[Jofreidr_1488]

I voted for Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Dubya.

Why Kennedy???

JFK wanted to abolish the jewish Federal Reserve bank (in fact he even had Greenbacks printed while he was President!)

JFK didn't want to give nukes to the jewish state

JFK was on the verge of pulling US troops out of Vietnam (who were originally put there by Ike) and creating a new isolationism

If you look at Ikes, JFKs and then LBJs snivel rights history it is clear that JFK wasn't anywhere near as bad as 'Little Rock Ike' or the monster LBJ.

There is a reaon JFK was killed and it was because he was not on board with alot of the NWO/ZOG program.

[Jofreidr_1488]

Nixon, for Affirmative Action.

When AA was started it was only supposed to be a temporary program. Tricky Dick probably never thought that it could become the White Life Destroyer that it has become.

IMO Nixon was one of the Greatest Presidents in History, not one of the Worst! (that is a whole different thread though.)

[Kodos]

Is Bush Jr. really worse than Johnson?

No nor is he worse then Wilson, the amnesty bill will have to pass with his signature before he gets that label.

[Kodos]

When AA was started it was only supposed to be a temporary program. Tricky Dick probably never thought that it could become the White Life Destroyer that it has become.


Congress was going to pass something like it anyway and it probably would have been worse.

One thing often neglected on this forum is the biggest AA beneficiaries are women( which is insane, more insane then helping out blacks. If there is going to be government mandated employment discrimination it should encourage the dismissal of women so that men can take their jobs. Women can get married and mooch off men, men have to work).

[Kodos]

Why Kennedy???

JFK wanted to abolish the jewish Federal Reserve bank (in fact he even had Greenbacks printed while he was President!)

I'm not sure of the truth of this. The Fedreserve is a scam but its not "jewish"( well its last two chairmen have been).

JFK didn't want to give nukes to the jewish state

Nixon was the 1st really pro Israel US president( despite his dislike of domestic jews). Israel got most of its help developing nukes from South Africa.


JFK was on the verge of pulling US troops out of Vietnam (who were originally put there by Ike) and creating a new isolationism

Ike sent a small group of spooks JFK was the 1st guy to send an army. I very much doubt this is true. After the Bay of Pigs it would almost be political suicide to end up looking so weak...

[Zeus]

I think bush take the asshole president cake.

[Jake Featherston]

I remember all the furious denunciations of Clinton back in the 1990s. However, I notice that opinions of him have mellowed somewhat since then

Incumbent presidents will always arouse disproportionate emotion.

Is Bush Jr. really worse than Johnson?

Worse than Johnson? Not yet. But, if on Christmas morning of this year, say around 6am, the five cities of New York, Washington, Chicago, Toronto, and Los Angeles are simultaneously destroyed in a series of nuclear detonations (whether planted by Al-Qaeda, or by Mossad operatives who play members of Al-Qaeda on t.v.), then, uh, yeah, that vile piece of filth presently masquerading as "the President of the United States," and illegally squatting in the Executive Residence (located on Pennsylvania Avenue) will make LBJ look like Young Hickory*.


* "Young Hickory" was the nickname of the great President James K. Polk. It was derived from Andrew Jackson's nickname, "Old Hickory."

[Dances with Wolves]

Bush is a War Criminal.
Bush has instituted a police state.
Bush is pro invasion.

[Aragorn]

The worst president?

Is there any good one then? :confused: :confused:

[Lenny]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/ElectoralCollege1916-Large.png/450px-ElectoralCollege1916-Large.png

Interesting that states with large German-American populations voted RepublicanIn that era the northern states always voted Republican. I think all those states that are blue on that map would've been blue on a map of most any presidential election from the Civil War all the way through The Depression

What's interesting about that map is that it is an almost exact mirror image of the 2000/2004 presidential election, but with Democrat and Republican states flipped http://www.cugy.net/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

[Felix the Cat]

I notice the South has voted Republican at every election since 1964, with the sole exception of Carter in 1976

[Dances with Wolves]

In that era the northern states always voted Republican. I think all those states that are blue on that map would've been blue on a map of most any presidential election from the Civil War all the way through The Depression

What's interesting about that map is that it is an almost exact mirror image of the 2000/2004 presidential election, but with Democrat and Republican states flipped http://www.cugy.net/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

What's really amazing is that California went Replicunt. This only buttresses my assertion that Women elected Bush, out of "fear of terrorism". As always though, their voting for the traitor actually has increased the danger. :thanks: women.