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Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
05-27-2006, 07:22 AM
In this thread I have posted the manifestos of two closely related groups which adhere to an ideology and religion they call Aryan Satanism. These groups claim true Satanism is Aryan, that is is not about self-gratifacation but about self-empowerment and the empowerment of one's race. These groups believe Satan is the father of Mankind and the adversary of the Jewish demiurge Jehova. :beerchug:

The Aryan Satanic manifesto
by Brother Apostate


Tho' fools raise high tattered bibles, and bigger ones blow themselves up over insane rantings; the
Satanist realizes that niether faith nor great spiritual truth will be found in books. Thus this short work
should by no means be considered a scripture to be followed 'to the letter' for there is plenty of room here
for growth. Rather it should be seen a sign at the side of the road, pointing to the destination.


The 7 Points of Aryan Satanism
We believe that Satan is the true god of the Aryan folk and only of the Aryan folk.
We believe in a positive, holistic, and organic view of nature and the importance of living according to natural principles.
We believe Satanism to represent the reawakening of pagan spirituality, which with the foundation of National Socialism, will usher in the new Aeon!
We believe in the primacy of the individual, who achieves the highest expression of his individuality in service to his folk.
We demand the downfall of world Jewry in all its forms: Christianity, Communism, Democracy, etc.
We demand an end to the base materialism that characterizes the current Aeon and we will act to correct it.
We provide the means to truth, to enlightenment, to belonging, and fullfilment through implementation of a comprehensive worldview based in the devotion to the eternal principles of blood and soil. Philosophy


1. The True Nature of Satan

It is indeed true that in Hebrew Satan means 'adversary', this is not however the root of the word. the full
term Ha Shaitan is derived from 'hele ben shahar' or 'son of the morning', derived in turn from Aryan proto-Canaanite (Philistine/Pelasgian) 'Baal ze Shaharu' an appelation of Baal as lord of dawn, equivalent to Greek Phosphoros and Latin Lucifer. Baal was the most popular deity throughout Europe for a long time and his name survives in Celtic Bel, Norse Baldur, and Greek Apollo( A-baal-o). It was generally considered that Baal took numerous forms according to need and these forms became the basis for traditional paganism. It would be wrong for the modern Aryan folk to adhere to any of the many spiritual traditions of our people, this is like confusing an envelope for the message inside. We must realize that all of the Aryan doctrines of ages past contain the wisdom of the primordial tradition of the Hyperborean people.
It was as the Jews began to formulate the Christian heresy in the first century C.E. that they happily lent the new cult their "enemy" and spread it to every Gentile nation essentially causing their new Gentile slaves to demonize themselves and their own native beliefs.
It is our intention thusly to resurrect the pagan beliefs of Aryan Europe, in the god who entered the dark
night of Jewry and arose anew in defiance of the filthy Jehovah to reconquer the day and save our
endangered volk so long deceived. Hail Satan! Our TRUE savior!

2.List and the Armanen

In 1902 the Germanic occultist Guido von List received a vision of 18 new runes that provide the keys to
ultimate understanding, these runes had been lost with the coming of Christianity or sublimated into medieval heraldry and were the same runes spoken of in the Nordic Havamal. Now an initiate, List went forth as the herald of a new aeon, the Aeon of Satan that would usher in a new world order of prosperity.He created a new occult lodge: the Arman Society that would influence virtually every other lodge in Europe at the time.
Fast forward to 1919, an obscure Austrian corporal comes to check out the work of a new political party:
the National Socialist Party, an offshoot of the Thule society, an Armanist group researching Aryan
heritage. His name was Adolf Hitler.


3.The SS

On his way to power the young Fuhrer was guided by Armanists who soon took their places in the newly
formed SS which to the public stood for 'Schutzstaffel' but in reality meant "Schwartze Sonne" or "black sun" in English.
The black sun is an ancient symbol for the source of psychic energy that stands in opposition to the light
sun of the mundane. (This is the source of Vril energy.) It was here in the SS and its highest priest Heinrich Himmler and his Ahnenehrbe began the process of bringing about the Satanic Aeon. This awakening required strict adherence to eugenic and euthenic principles in an effort to create a higher form of man.
Each SS initiate had to be carefully certified as a true Aryan with a proven lineage.
Himmler chose the old castle of Wewelsburg to be the geographic nexus of the reborn faith, and set about creating its first temple. It was here that the rituals of the black sun were fully realized and the SS elite began to implement its plans.


4.The War of Consecration

In 1933 the world Jews declared war on the third reich and began manipulating the British and Americans
into becoming their allies, having conquered Aryan Russia years before. Hitler countered by "dealing with
the devil" making the pact of steel with Russia forcing him to strike Poland and securing the eastern front
long enough to deal with the Allied pawns. In a supreme act of mercy Hitler allows the 'miracle of Dunkirk'
but in so doing performs the first act in a ritual sacrifice of epic proportions. Act two: Stalingrad. The
sanctification of martyrs on the altar of history, the baptism of blood and fire, Ragnarok. The survivors
rebuild for a new world and await the birth of the New Aeon.
To the uninitiated self sacrifice seems foolish and the sacrifice of an entire nation the height of madness.
The profound meaning of this act utterly escapes these poor deluded masses, wallowing in filth, and
unconscious of honor.


5. Race and the True Individual

What passes for individualism today is but a scared, shallow imitation of it's true meaning. What the liberal
mind appears incapable of understanding is the seemingly obvious fact that the self does not exist in a
vacuum.Rather each person is a product of a specific people at a certain point in the societal lifespan. The
common occult belief that man is a microcosm of the macrocosm,i.e. 'as above, so below'is a universal
truth. The race is man writ large and the universe larger still. This belief demands a holistic perspective on
reality and is the foundation of our religion. This perspective also entails the belief in the interdependence of
body and spirit and the realization that the race is in fact the extension of self to a far grander level.It is
precisely in this context that self sacrifice makes sense. Thus Satanism maintains and rightfully so the
primacy of the individual, but of the true individual, not the abstract puppet of liberal postmodernism. The
petty hedonism, worthless ostentation, and the glorificaion of " shock value" have no place in Satanism.



6. The Nature of Race

We will now attempt to explain the racial aspect of self as this seems to be the least understood.
Race must be considered holistically and organically. That is, having a spirit and body inseperable, and the
realization of race,or volk, as a tangibly living thing. Therefore race can not be abstracted to a mere
question of genetics, nor equally wrong, an artificial construct of culture; asking which comes first is a
chicken vs egg type argument and will lead nowhere fast. Rather the study of race, and by proxy self, is
always a question of history, how the self-race exists in time; and historical events must always be viewed
symbolically within the cycle of continuous rebirth.





7. The Aeonic Cycle and Hyperborea

All of reality is caught up in the endless cycle of birth to birth and at every level. Thus there are cycles within cycles ad infinitum. This gives rise to the overall Aeonic cycle of four consecutive ages: a Golden Age, a Silver Age, a Bronze Age, and the final Iron age.
Ultimately these cycles intertwine creating slight overlaps or transitional phases. We currently are in the
transition from Iron to Gold. The last such Golden age was characterized by the birth of the Aryan
Hyperborean civilization alluded to in so much myth. Existing in the ancient Arctic regions while they were
still warm due to the excessive planetary tilt, Hyperborea was essentially an Aryan paradise whose
influence extended to peoples around the globe. Unfortunately the ages must go on, and so the planet tilted
to its current position driving the Aryan people south ending the Golden age and beginning the Silver Aeon
of early antiquity, flowing into the the Bronze Age of Imperialism, ending in the fall of Rome and the rise of
Christianity(the extension of Jewry to non-Jews).
The Aeonic cycle is characterized by a continual decline of spirituality before cataclysmc awakening and a
continuous shortening, so that the Golden Age is longest and Iron shortest. The Iron age is defined by the decline of civilized society into anarchy. One can see this in government by which caste is in control. Starting with the Golden age government is a spiritual meritocracy that declines into monarchy, that declines into militant dictatorship, that finally declines into mob rule(capitalism/communism). Thus there is a gradual shift from highest to lowest before a violent rebirth.


8. Resurrecting the Primordial Tradition

Realizing that little is left of the outward structure of formal paganism Satan calls us to salvage the
remaining bits and pieces scattered throughout Aryan religions; primarily the Norse and Vedic which
appear to have the most to offer. At the same time we have been given the Armanen runes as a key to
unlocking the true primordial tradition and thus unleashing the energies that give rise to the New Aeon!


9.National Socialism

The Ritual War of Consecration embodied the principals of Satanism to a tee and it is in National Socialist
doctrine that we see a true balance between individual-self and social-self. First in the leadership principle
where society bows to a true individual and second in the volkisch concept where the individual bows to
society. In this way the duality of altruism/egotism is annihilated, unleashing the vast power of self as
godhood-attained. What we see in the "Nazis" and the souce of their mystique is precisely the process of
magickal adeptship,the attainment of personal godhood, applied to its most extreme and glorious extent. It
is a model worth emulating.


10.Der Juden

Throughout history the Jew has been the most universally despised group regardless of anything. One is
left wondering why? How could an entire race be so hated?
The Jew is descended from the Hebrews an ancient mongrel race that formed in the "empty quarter" of Arabia from outcasts and misfits from the surrounding cultures (Hebrew, from Akkadian Habiru- thief,vagabond, and Egyptian Apiru- meaning same); tied into the DNA of every Jew is the very spirit of duality itself. Dualism leads always to decay for in duality lies a self hatred and envy that has led to a base materialist outlook and a need to spread it likea cancer. This self hate results in self denial and explains the foundations of Christianity and Communism alike. For the Jew hates his opposite the Aryan, they are locked in an eternal struggle.Speaking Aeonically, the Jew is tied to the Iron Age and is destined to control that age every time the cosmic wheel comes round. He knows he is in peril however, for the Aryan spirit, Satan has reawakened, and he is royally pissed off!


11. Ragnarok

It must be realized that we, the Aryan folk, are in dire circumstances. Satan calls his chosen people to rebirth. The pagan warriors of old have provided have provided the example; they have set the standard. It is only through the adoption of a warrior mindset, a commitment to martial spirituality, that we as a people stand a chance. We must however take a closer look at what this war, this "Ragnarok" really means.
To have a war one must have an enemy and our enemy is the Jew, as stated previously the Jew is the embodiment of dualism, of all that is base, and materialistic. Thus, our battle is against the forces of cosmic duality.
We may now further distinguish between the esoteric and exoteric aspects of Ragnarok. The esoteric implies the internal struggle of spiritual development and the awakening to enlightenment. True enlightenment is not peaceful, enlightenment strikes as a slap in the face of the status quo. It awakens us from our perpetual somnambulance. At one level this awakening is ideological, an academic understanding of the current situation in which the individual finds himself. At another level the esoteric Ragnarok implies transcendance through the annihilation of the mundane ego and absorption into the folk consciousness.
The exoteric Ragnarok implies the application of Aryan spirituality toward ones life, both personal and at the racial level. Does this mean physical violence? Not necessarily. There is a time for everything, and currently physical violence would be counterproductive to our cause. Rather we must engage in a war of spirit, of ideas. We must be the very ideal of Aryan, the noble, master race. Let us not know the path; let us walk the path.
Essentially the war against Jewry is the exoteric expression of the internal war against the base instinct of the self.


In Closing

Let it be said that the call of Aryan spirit is alive and well today and for all days. That the sacred blood
sacrifice in the streets of Europe be not in vain. Nor that we shall go quietly into a dark night but shall rise
again the defiant son of the morning!

Sieg Heil
Hail Satan!



signed:
Brother Apostate
Propaganda Director
Aryan Satanic Brotherhood
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aryan_satanic_esoterica/
The Order of the Serpent


-1.We follow and commune with the Eldar Gods of our folk primarly
with
our Creator ENKI our blood and spiritual Father God, who has been
remebered and whorshipped in many traditions of our Folk under
different names. We thank Father daily for his gifts or life and
enlightenment and it speaks highly of him when the enemies of life
would label him there adversary(Satan.) We follow the original
Tradition of our Folk.

2.We acknowledge that only by establishing a direct connection to our
Gods can a real spiritual rebirth or our Folk happen and heal the
sickness done by milleums of anti-life alien poision.


3. We stand for upward evolution in all things especially spiritual a
true metamorphises of Man into higher Man by raising of the Serpent
enegry that lays dormant in most people. This has been the goal of
many our ancestors the striving for a Golden Age humanity. Unlike the
degenerate enemies of life, mainstream spiritually dead religions of
today who wrongly mistake mere sentiment for spirituality and nuture
over nature.


4. We stand for the eternal values which this fallen world has
rejected and where a large part of the core of our ancestors healthy
Folk ways. Honour, loyality to the Gods and family and Folk(our
extended family) truth, bravery, hospitality, justice and freedom.


5. Natural law, the law eternal is the Gods law and when followed
brings about a Golden Age for the wise and when broken bring death
and ruin, for whoever is not for the laws of light and life is
against them and is justly punished in accordence. The Golden Age was
also called the Natural Age, a age of Wisdom.


6.We do not hate those of other Races and as followers of pro-life
laws we understand that a healthy separation must be maintained for
the collective survival and healthy evolution of our Folk and all the
Races and cultures. And unlike the masters of lies, the enemies of
life who hold current power. We want to keep the real diverisity in
Nature this is done by maintained separation. Not mixing the Races
which is a crime against life and the heathly order of the earth.
Mixing the Races is genocide.


7.We stand against the evil and murderous universalism creeds in all
there forms especially Christianity,Islam, Judaism, Communism and
Capitalism. Who individually and collectively have plunged the earth
into nightmare dark age and attacks and blasphemes the Gods and
hates all higher forms of life.



8.We acknowledge that a Folk based meritocracy is the correct and
healthy way to maintain a society where a person is free to pursue
there talent fields to there full potential, where a person is
rewarded for there hard work and effort honestly. And put there
talent to work for the greater good of the Gods and Folk and in
doing so are honored for it in all walks of life.


9.We put the greater good of the Gods and Folk before the selfish
wants of the few. And not the selfish few before the Gods and Folk.


10.We seek the Golden Meen between Civilization and Nature, between
spiritual and material. The balance of Love and Hate. to love, hate
to create and destroy with passion. The balance of a healthy body,
mind and spirit in a healthy environment. It is fitting that this
balance was called the Lucifer Principal by the ancients.


11. The Earth is sacred to Father ENKI and all the Eldar Gods to
poison it and wantonly rape and destroy it is a serious sin and
blasphemy against our self's our Folk and the Gods. We seek within
our legal means to help establish the nucleus of the future Golden
Age society within the dying shell of the current one. As guardians
of life and followers of Father and the Eldar it
is our sacred and Honorable task to do so.-

As you can see we will be taking a new direct here.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Templeoftheserpent/

Hermetic
05-27-2006, 07:50 AM
Just so you know the Order of the Serpent was set up in the end as a archive for articles and such. A person would be better off to go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/666_Black_Sun/ or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Joy_of_Satan/messages
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced_Satanism/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced_Meditation/

Ahknaton
05-27-2006, 08:12 AM
This is what I posted in response to this article on the Nordfolk forum:

http://www.nordfolk.net/showthread.php?p=8085#post8085

This is a corrupted creed. The spirit of dualism that it ostensibly opposes are clearly evident in points 10 and 11. It is reactionary in nature, and ends up being a mirror image of that which it opposes. This is not Aryan spirituality and it won't lead us into a Golden Age.

Jofreidr_1488
05-27-2006, 12:21 PM
This is very good stuff, alot like what is mentioned in the nazi satanism chapter in 'Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity'.

Here is my own view of Satan that I posted over at the Metal Hall, alot of arch-Satanists probably won't like the Polytheistic stuff though.

I consider myself a Satano-Heathen.

...if one is a Polytheistic Pagan then it is perfectly acceptable to add in Satan and the Anti-Christ into the Pantheon of Dieties one Praises and/or worships.

(Bear in mind that Satan is generally accepted to be a form of the Ancient Egyptian God Set and as recent discoveries have shown the Ancient Egyptians were an Aryan People. Also Satan has been given many of the physical characteristics (horns) of the Pagan God Pan as well so it can be reasonabbly argued he can be included into an Aryan Polytheistic Paganism)

A Metal Hall Link (http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/YaBB.cgi?board=metal_news;action=print;num=1145642485)

Hermetic
05-27-2006, 08:17 PM
The Demons are the old Pagan Gods, and Satan is the Creator of the Aryan Race. Lord EA, He is the original horned God. As the Gods wore headresses with horns on them to denote ranking. Set and Satan are different Gods as Satan was worshipped as PTAH in Egypt.

This is why I also call Spiritual Satanism, Eldar Paganism. Because it is worship of the Eldar Gods and Goddesses.




This is very good stuff, alot like what is mentioned in the nazi satanism chapter in 'Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity'.

Here is my own view of Satan that I posted over at the Metal Hall, alot of arch-Satanists probably won't like the Polytheistic stuff though.

I consider myself a Satano-Heathen.



A Metal Hall Link (http://www.anus.com/metal/hall/YaBB.cgi?board=metal_news;action=print;num=1145642485)

O'Zebedee
05-27-2006, 08:25 PM
Cue spooky music with low, unison chanting from black robed monks.

Kodos
05-27-2006, 08:31 PM
Satanism... Aryanism... winning buzzwords as part of any mass marketing strategy.

Who writes this stuff.

O'Zebedee
05-27-2006, 08:45 PM
Who writes this stuff.

I do, but the advertising campaign is coming up to a close - next up for '06: Lucifer jammies for the young 'uns and Aryan Barbie Motor Home.

Daniel Shays
05-27-2006, 08:49 PM
Satanism... Aryanism... winning buzzwords as part of any mass marketing strategy.

Who writes this stuff.
People that aren't interested in marketing to the masses.

Sulla the Dictator
05-27-2006, 08:56 PM
Awesome! Now Fade has something new to claim he's a part of in a month. A Eugenic Satanist racial communitarian!

Nyx
05-27-2006, 09:02 PM
Awesome! Now Fade has something new to claim he's a part of in a month. A Eugenic Satanist racial communitarian!Since when did you support racial communitarianism?

Watzy
06-15-2006, 12:48 PM
National Socialists encouraged group identity, conformity, obedience and self-sacrifice, while Satan is the symbol of the opposite; of strong ego, free thought, self-dependence...we are speaking about two different, even opposed conceptions here.

Watzy
06-15-2006, 01:13 PM
http://apodion.com/gfx/articles/pageoffaces-xian-large.jpg

http://apodion.com/gfx/articles/pageoffaces-demonic-large.jpg

http://apodion.com/vad/article.php?aid=71

Professor John Frink
06-15-2006, 01:22 PM
http://apodion.com/gfx/articles/pageoffaces-xian-large.jpg


ROFL

Where's Uncle Heini? :D

Aryan Imperium
01-21-2007, 05:14 PM
National Socialists encouraged group identity, conformity, obedience and self-sacrifice, while Satan is the symbol of the opposite; of strong ego, free thought, self-dependence...we are speaking about two different, even opposed conceptions here.

I disagree.
National Socialism has an inner and outer order, an esoteric and exoteric application.
Only a small minority ever were initiated in to its higher secrets, lore and understanding. This is still the case today.
On the outside National Socialism was an aggressively militaristic Weltanschauung, more akin to German nationalism. On the inside it was a non-nationalist but Aryan racialist secret doctrine with the aim of spiritually and biologically manifesting the Overman.
The Luciferian doctrine is a part of the esoteric lore. The inner and outer aims appear to be in opposition although in reality they are in apposition.

Watzy
01-21-2007, 06:15 PM
I disagree.

Only a small minority ever were initiated in to its higher secrets, lore and understanding.

True, this is why their sober, ultra-rational and masterfully calculated moves leading to undisputed victory shall remain an eternal puzzle to all sad and unenlightened mortals and weaklings.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/Watzy_2/33.jpg

Aryan Imperium
01-22-2007, 03:30 PM
True, this is why their sober, ultra-rational and masterfully calculated moves leading to undisputed victory shall remain an eternal puzzle to all sad and unenlightened mortals and weaklings.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/Watzy_2/33.jpg

WWII was only a battle in a war lasting millenia.
The Third Reich should be considered a template for that which is to come. Hitler himself realised this. Regardless of victory or defeat the Aryan warrior engages in warfare because it is part of his nature and he must act in accordance with his role in the drama.
The eventual outcome will be decided by cosmic forces. We simply must act.

Dr. Gutberlet
01-22-2007, 04:47 PM
WWII was only a battle in a war lasting millenia.
The Third Reich should be considered a template for that which is to come. Hitler himself realised this. Regardless of victory or defeat the Aryan warrior engages in warfare because it is part of his nature and he must act in accordance with his role in the drama.
The eventual outcome will be decided by cosmic forces. We simply must act.

No offense, but that sounded quite insane.

Hermetic
01-22-2007, 06:28 PM
To be honest the 3rd reich existance and the war helped to open the door to something greater that will openly and totally manifest in the future and is already here in the more ethric form. We are not dealing with mere decades here but with Aeonics.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
05-21-2007, 04:28 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

Because you are satanists, I would just like to say that I am the devil, and I descend from the Devil so worship me. Christian Identity is right about that.

Bow to your master. I am the one and only seed of Satan. Eve and Satan screwed each other in the lawn, and I am the result.

albion
05-21-2007, 04:42 AM
http://churchofsatan.tv/wallpaper.jpg

Angler
05-21-2007, 05:18 AM
FWIW, the faces in the background of that picture come from the album cover of Altars Of Madness by Morbid Angel -- one of the most Satanic albums ever written.

Lyrics here for the curious: http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/morbidangel/altarsofmadness.html#1

Note how they have written a whole song ("Blasphemy") dedicated to blaspheming the Holy Ghost, which the Bible says is the "unpardonable sin" (although most theologians actually seem to interpret that sin as a condition of willful, deliberate opposition to God's Spirit).

I've actually spoken with the writer of that song and guitarist for the band. He's mellowed out quite a bit since those days, and his lyrics are no longer overtly Satanic. I suspect that he doesn't believe in God or Satan at all -- at least not as Christianity might define those beings. But he's a pretty odd cookie who's into all sorts of weird mysticism, so he may have other religious beliefs.

When it comes to Satanism, my personal philosophy has a lot in common with the secular Satanism popularized by Anton LaVey, which in turn owes a lot to Ragnar Redbeard. However, I don't consider myself a Satanist. I don't even believe in any actual being we might call "Satan" (neither do LaVeyans). I've had discussions with some of LaVey's followers, and it seemed to me that most of them were arrogant pricks who thought that simply being a member of the "Church of Satan" made them some kind of "elite" breed. Nearly all of them were strongly against any kind of lawbreaking or resistance to civil authority, which means that their God isn't Jesus, but the State! They also tend to be very intolerant of any interpretation of Satanism different from LaVey's, which implies that LaVey, too is their god. It's kind of funny that people whose philosophy is so strongly based on being one's own god would have mortal gods besides themselves.

Of all the "Satanic" organizations I've looked at, this is the one that fits my philosophy closest:

http://churchofsatan.tv/faq.html

It's not about being evil or cruel; I'm neither of those things. It's simply about being your own leader and thinking for yourself. Nevertheless, I see no need to associate such a philosophy with Satan.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
05-21-2007, 06:26 AM
When it comes to Satanism, my personal philosophy has a lot in common with the secular Satanism popularized by Anton LaVey, which in turn owes a lot to Ragnar Redbeard.
Why do all the Jew haters follow Jewish religions like Christianity and Lavey's (Jewish decent) Satanism?

Angler
05-21-2007, 06:54 AM
Why do all the Jew haters follow Jewish religions like Christianity and Lavey's (Jewish decent) Satanism?Well, first off, I don't hate all Jews. (BTW, I did know of LaVey's Jewish background.) Second, I don't follow LaVey or his religion. I think the idea of "Satanic rituals" and such is silly. My personal philosophy simply has a lot in common with many of the ideas he codified. What he came up with was far from original -- he just took a bunch of old ideas and repackaged them. If you read The Satanic Bible you'll see what I mean. In fact, LaVey copied much of TSB verbatim from the 1896 book Might Is Right by Ragnar Redbeard.

Ahknaton
05-21-2007, 07:49 AM
Why do all the Jew haters follow Jewish religions like Christianity and Lavey's (Jewish decent) Satanism?
In fact, LaVey copied much of TSB verbatim from the 1896 book Might Is Right by Ragnar Redbeard.
Ragnar Redbeard was (most likely) a New Zealander named Arthur Desmond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Might_is_Right), although La Vey believed it was Jack London. That means that modern Satanism is Kiwi in origin, not Jewish :D

Some, such as Adam Parfrey, suspect Ragnar was a pen name for radical New Zealander Arthur Desmond, a prominent advocate of Henry George's Single Tax. Some see it as hard to reconcile the difference in their politics. Most who believe that Desmond was Redbeard, believe the book to have been a work of satire.

Some believe that Jack London wrote Might is Right. As with Desmond the difference in politics is great (London's political activism started in the Marxist Socialist Labor Party and ended in the Socialist Party), and mainstream London-scholars have not supported the assertion that Redbeard was London. Claims that London was Redbeard come, in part, from Satanists; Anton LaVey thought him "the most likely candidate".

More info:

http://www.takver.com/history/desmonda.htm

Kriger
05-21-2007, 08:15 AM
There have been various concepts of satanism throughout the history of mankind.

This "God is really Satan, Satan is really God' routine is a belief that has very little to do with the Old Ways other than to use the Old Ways as a stage for the belief.

The "gods" of the Old Norse were not gods, but humans who were deified by other humans at a much later date. The Eddas are the story of a people from a time whose exactness is lost in forgotten memories.

Hermetic
05-21-2007, 03:56 PM
I used to think it was London but now I agree it was Desmond who wrote that book.

Ragnar Redbeard was (most likely) a New Zealander named Arthur Desmond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Might_is_Right), although La Vey believed it was Jack London. That means that modern Satanism is Kiwi in origin, not Jewish :D



More info:

http://www.takver.com/history/desmonda.htm

Hermetic
05-21-2007, 04:02 PM
This attitude you describe with the LaVeyian Satanists is the major reason LeVay packed the COS in back in the 70's and later just brought it back as more of a money making rackett. He was sadly disapointed with the quality of the people who where in the COS. Where LaVey was a able and powerful Magician himself most of the COS people are not.



I've had discussions with some of LaVey's followers, and it seemed to me that most of them were arrogant pricks who thought that simply being a member of the "Church of Satan" made them some kind of "elite" breed. Nearly all of them were strongly against any kind of lawbreaking or resistance to civil authority, which means that their God isn't Jesus, but the State! They also tend to be very intolerant of any interpretation of Satanism different from LaVey's, which implies that LaVey, too is their god. It's kind of funny that people whose philosophy is so strongly based on being one's own god would have mortal gods besides themselves.

Midgaard
05-21-2007, 06:06 PM
Why do all the Jew haters follow Jewish religions like Christianity and Lavey's (Jewish decent) Satanism?

LaVey wasn't of Jewish descent. Yes I've read that "expose" and its total BS 100%.

Midgaard
05-21-2007, 06:07 PM
This attitude you describe with the LaVeyian Satanists is the major reason LeVay packed the COS in back in the 70's and later just brought it back as more of a money making rackett. He was sadly disapointed with the quality of the people who where in the COS. Where LaVey was a able and powerful Magician himself most of the COS people are not.

Dude you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Midgaard
05-21-2007, 06:09 PM
Well, first off, I don't hate all Jews. (BTW, I did know of LaVey's Jewish background.) Second, I don't follow LaVey or his religion. I think the idea of "Satanic rituals" and such is silly. My personal philosophy simply has a lot in common with many of the ideas he codified. What he came up with was far from original -- he just took a bunch of old ideas and repackaged them. If you read The Satanic Bible you'll see what I mean. In fact, LaVey copied much of TSB verbatim from the 1896 book Might Is Right by Ragnar Redbeard.

No he didn't. You've never read it...

Watzy
05-23-2007, 01:16 AM
"Redbeard is also a racist believing that Anglo-Saxons are the superior race. Blacks, Jews, Asiatics and "degenerate whites" are all excluded from his class of supermen. His racism, however, undermines the logic of his "philosophy of power." In a typical description of his philosophy he writes of the capitalist that he can 'do as he likes with his own,' as long as he has the power. He may own the earth...if he wants to, and he may buy or sell men and nations if he feels inclined to or thinks it profltable. There is in Nature no limit to his energies or ambitions. All that is needed is power equal to his energies or ambitions. All that is needed is power equal to the design. But the same principles may be acted upon by any other man or association of men, and in the conflict that ensues fitness is proved--absolutely and without doubt. The 'rights of the rich' are what they can maintain and the 'rights of the poor' are not less. No bounds are set to the accumulation of property, and none whatever to its re-distribution."
If, therefore, "all that is needed" for the survival of the fittest is "power equal to the design" and "the same principles may be acted upon by any other man or association of men," this must logically apply to all human beings. It follows that if a Black, a Jew, an Asiatic or a "degenerate white," proves to be stronger than one of Redbeard's Anglo-Saxon supermen, then he has no grounds upon which he can deny the victor his spoils. If I can do as I like with my own as long as I have the power, then it does not matter what race or colour I am for I have shown that I am the powerful one. Redbeard's racism, like his sexism, is therefore completely inconsistent with his own "philosophy of power" since he can only defend it by using collectivist notions that deny his individualist premise that there are no "rights" outside the "might" of the individual."

http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/mirintro.shtml

In brief, Redbeard's racism contradicted to his "philosophy of power" best described by his own verses:

"Might was Right when Gideon led
The "chosen" tribes of old.
And it was right when Titus burnt
Their temple roofed with gold..."

Might was right when when Caesar bled
Upon the stones of Rome,
Might was right when Genghis led
his hordes over Danube's foam..."

http://www.plausiblefutures.com/getfile.php/51711.476/might.pdf

Ahknaton
05-23-2007, 01:31 AM
If, therefore, "all that is needed" for the survival of the fittest is "power equal to the design" and "the same principles may be acted upon by any other man or association of men," this must logically apply to all human beings. It follows that if a Black, a Jew, an Asiatic or a "degenerate white," proves to be stronger than one of Redbeard's Anglo-Saxon supermen, then he has no grounds upon which he can deny the victor his spoils.
This is correct.
If I can do as I like with my own as long as I have the power, then it does not matter what race or colour I am for I have shown that I am the powerful one. Redbeard's racism, like his sexism, is therefore completely inconsistent with his own "philosophy of power" since he can only defend it by using collectivist notions that deny his individualist premise that there are no "rights" outside the "might" of the individual."
I don't think it's a contradiction, because Redbeard is not arguing for any collective rights for Anglo-Saxons. His philosophy is that "might makes right" and that, incidentally, the mightiest group happens to be the Anglo-Saxons. The Anglo-Saxon is not awarded anything because he "deserves it" by right for being the strongest, he simply takes it through force. Therefore there is no contradiction, since Redbeard does not argue for any collectivist obligations that would conflict with his individualist philosophy.

Of course, it's mostly irrelevent since the whole thing is a parody. The Anglo-Saxon supremacy is quite funny in that Arthur Desmond (if that is Redbeard's true identity) actually was a New Zealander of part-Irish stock.

Thoth
05-23-2007, 04:09 AM
This is correct.

I don't think it's a contradiction, because Redbeard is not arguing for any collective rights for Anglo-Saxons. His philosophy is that "might makes right" and that, incidentally, the mightiest group happens to be the Anglo-Saxons. The Anglo-Saxon is not awarded anything because he "deserves it" by right for being the strongest, he simply takes it through force. Therefore there is no contradiction, since Redbeard does not argue for any collectivist obligations that would conflict with his individualist philosophy.

Of course, it's mostly irrelevent since the whole thing is a parody. The Anglo-Saxon supremacy is quite funny in that Arthur Desmond (if that is Redbeard's true identity) actually was a New Zealander of part-Irish stock.

Unnecessary confusion reigns in these discussions, from a Kantian perspective. Not trying to straighten anything out
here except the logic.

Philosophically, one begins by looking at the use of terms, what the question or issue is about. In this instance, it is about "right", the term used for predicating moral judgments.

It is not necessary to begin philosophically. Morality has/is its own autonomous mode of predication, its own grammar or logos ("no act can be both right and wrong at the same time in the same respect'; "if act A is wrong, and act B is relevantly similar to A in moral respects, then act B is wrong") which operates in ordinary discourse with or without philosophical criticism or systematic elaboration. It is a totality-function of consciousness under sign-use applied to action (behavior), for which reason I assign it token type S*4 in the hierarchy.

Beginning philosophically, let the words "might make right" = df. "If x is imposed by use of force, x is right."
("It is sufficient to regard something as right to regard it as imposed by use of force. To assert something done by imposed force is wrong is self-contradictory.")

This cannot be rationally willed as universal law. There is a contradiction in "let me enjoy (e.g., the fruits of my labor; freedom; WHATEVER), but let whoever is stronger take them away." (This is to simultaneously will and not-will enjoyment of the results of one's labor.)

Suppose Jack says "Well, I've got the gun now, so I'll gamble the tables won't turn and assert that might makes rightt." Can't do it. Jacks can gamble against getting the gun turned on them all they want, they just can't alter the logic of morality anymore than they can make 2+3 =6, or make music with untuned strings. If moral judgment could not contradict power judgment it could not be an autonomous form of relating to acts. This distinction cannot be replaced by appeal to power, because it exists precisely in the rejection of appeal to power as the standard of its own (moral) judgment. Jacks can use their guns, but not to make their use right.

This leaves the question of 'higher' premise superceding reason (moral law based on the categorical imperative) -- for example, a theologized blood-line Unique Ideal (Anglo-Saxon -- I assume that covers Welch! -- Aryan/Eireland) in whom the seed of higher humanity was planted by Great Nature to survive, thrive, flourish, and raise the level of particular vibrations on earth to the level of planetary Vivifyingness.....

If something like that might be behind these Redbeard constantations, I won't say anything yet -- except it must include, not cancel, moral distinctions.

Law-conformity is amoral. The planet will take what it needs for its own being-transformations from the one-brained (organic green film), two-brained (water-air amphibious -to - domesticated animal), and three-brain beings, in the last of whom is actualized material required by His Endlessness for completing the totality. Humanity has not been good custodians of that Ray. I have only come to understand this quite recently, putting the question of morality in a new (freer) philosophical (transcendental) perspective. (... edge of the dialectic of Law and Grace.)

Brechun
05-23-2007, 05:18 AM
http://apodion.com/gfx/articles/pageoffaces-demonic-large.jpg

No, the real kikealikeness can be seen here:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b16/zornipoo/fgdgfdfg.jpg

Thanks again, Jewwatch!

Angler
05-23-2007, 08:56 PM
No he didn't. You've never read it...
What are you talking about?! I've read both books multiple times. Entire lengthy passages in TSB (in the first part, "The Book of Satan") were taken nearly word-for-word from Might Is Right.

Do I have to dig up quotes from both books and put them side-by-side to prove it?

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
05-23-2007, 11:27 PM
No, the real kikealikeness can be seen here:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b16/zornipoo/fgdgfdfg.jpg

Thanks again, Jewwatch!
lol he is a Georgian. I like the non-Muslim Asiatic people who are close to Russia. He has a good "gangster" look.

ZOGsoldier
05-24-2007, 12:43 AM
All pictures proove is that Stalin was one ugly bastard.

Plenty of ugly people with big noses and poofy hair are not jews.

Hermetic
05-24-2007, 12:54 AM
Without the jew marx and the other jews behind communism would Stalin ever been Stalin?

albion
05-24-2007, 12:55 AM
http://www.classicmoviemusicals.com/colonna1a.jpghttp://www.bookofjoe.com/images/jerry_colonna.jpg http://tepasmas.com/img/stalinborat.png http://www.randysrodeo.com/images/seventies/croce.jpg
- - - -Jerry Colonna - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Stalin- - - Borat - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jim Croce

ZOGsoldier
05-24-2007, 01:10 AM
Without the jew marx and the other jews behind communism would Stalin ever been Stalin?

Blaming Jews for communism doesn't really hold up, given that almost all the major communists, including Marx's partner Engels, were not Jewish.

Hermetic
05-24-2007, 01:25 AM
Iam not blaming.....Iam pointing out that jews where the major power behind communism. And then wondering if Stalin would have ever been Stalin without communism.

Naturally I don't expect jewrself to agree.

Blaming Jews for communism doesn't really hold up, given that almost all the major communists, including Marx's partner Engels, were not Jewish.

cyborg
05-25-2007, 02:01 AM
The Power of the Black Sun video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qukzYFW1uww

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
05-25-2007, 02:29 AM
Good point that Engels was not a Jew.

This is why I believe Jews supported Communism. The German-descended Tzar settled Jews on a Pale settlement within Russia, but did not give them independence. They were under the Tzar, but restricted to a small area. After the revolution, they had access to all of Russia.

My point is the Communists promised Jews freedom, and that is why Jews sided with Communism. Had the Tzar either given Jews independence or access to all of Russia, the result may be the Provisional Regime that replaced the Tzar before the revolution would still be in power today.