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Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
05-27-2006, 07:15 PM
Most people are confused about the word Aryan. Many White Nationalists and even some National Socialists are confused about it! http://forum.grossdeutsches-vaterland.net/images/smilies/hitler00.gif (http://forum.grossdeutsches-vaterland.net/images/smilies/hitler00.gif)

I consider this to be negative for the people, especially for National Socialists since I believe the word Aryan is very important for National Socialists. I believe every pro-Europid racialist should understand the word Aryan.

What does Aryan mean?


The word Aryan (Ar'y-an) is from the Indo-European language family.
Ar = superior / noble. So an Aryan is a person who is superior / noble. Aryans are persons who are superior / noble.

Ar is not just something which scholars started using in the 18th century, like some leftist would like people to believe. Nor is Ar something the National Socialists of the Third reich just decieded to distort (they did not distort it). Ar/Ir is something which has been used by our people, the Europids, since history began. Ar has been used in both the east and the west all the time! Spelled and prunounced diffrently sometimes, sure, but the meaning is the same.

I will now list related words in Indo-European languages.

Sanskrit: Arya = kind , favourable; attached to , true , devoted , dear; excellent, master , lord, a respectable, a man highly esteemed, or honourable or faithful man, an owner
Anglo Saxon: Įr = honour, worth; glory, dignity; grace, prosperity; kindness, benefit, help (from a Beowulf glossary)
Anglo Saxon:

Old German: era
Germanic: erilaz = member of the noble class, Runemaster
German: ehre = honour, honesty, praise
Irish: Aire
Dutch: eer
Greek: αριστος
Ancient Greek: Aristos = best, noblest
Persian: įriya
Latin: ars = Art
Icelandic: ašall = nobility
The list could go on for much, much longer.

The Sanskrit lexicon Amarakosha (ca. 450 AD) defines Arya as: "An Arya is one who hails from a noble family, of gentle behavior and demeanor, good-natured and of righteous conduct. (महाकुल कुलीनार्य सभ्य सज्जन साधवः)"

I encourage people to do their own research on this, like finding similar words in their mother tounge and comparing it with other similar words in other languages.

Germanic Lexicon project (http://anonym.to/?http://207.245.90.61/%7Escrist1/scanned_books/query/aa_search.html)
Old English glossary for Beowulf (http://anonym.to/?http://www.heorot.dk/glossary.html)
English-Greek word search (http://anonym.to/?http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/enggreek?lang=greek&type=begin&options=Sort+Results+Alphabetically)
Philology of Ethnic Epithet of Iranian Peoples (http://anonym.to/?http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Anthropology/arya.htm)

Now that we understand the word Aryan we must ask Who were Aryans in the past and who are Aryan now?!


The Aryans of the past were the most noble / superior people of the past. The most noble / superior people of the past were of what would be called a Nordic / Europid race. Why were they Aryans (noble/superior)? Be cause they were the most creative! We define superiority on demonstrated ability and/or achievement. They as the Master-race founded all civilizations and dominated inferior slave-race peoples.

See indogermanen.de.vu (http://anonym.to/?http://www.indogermanen.de.vu/)

Are all of the Nordic / Europid race Aryans?


The Euoropid as a whole compared to the Negroid race can be considered Aryans. But can we truly say the being of the Europid race automaticly makes one Aryan? No, since most of the Europid race in this point in time are non-creative slave people. Only an Elite of the Europid race in this point in time are creative with a Master mentality, thus only an Elite of the Europid race can be considered Aryan.

Can other races be Aryan?


Yes, but only if we put them in groups. For example the most superior people of Asia would be the Japanese, they could thus be considered Asian Aryans. However they could not be called Aryans when compared on a global scale since the Europids are superior as demonstrated by ability and/or achievement.

Now that we know what Aryan means and who are Aryans we must ask ourselves
Why should we use the word Aryan?


As explained abovem the word Aryan, sometimes spelled diffrently, is a word that has been used by the Europids since the dawn of history (at least 7000 years). It is a part of our culture, the culture we are fighting to preserve and evolve. Even though the meaning of the word is widely misunderstood we should never stop using it, seeing that our enemies distort the meaning of all our words. For example they have distorted the meaning National Socialism (pro-Life) in the eyes of the masses into something which is "evil" and dishonorable, they dub it Nazism. It has become clear to me that our enemies think that by distorting and destroying the meaning of our words (our tools for communication) they can distort our movement. If we do as they will and stop using words just be cause they have been distorted we let our enemies see how effective their methods are. Aryan is a part of our identidy. We must use and guard our great words!

National-Socialism believes that it is natural and necessary for individuals to have a real sense of belonging and identity: to have roots in a particular land which they value and respect as the home of their ancestors and thus of their own culture. National-Socialism is Aryan culture.

Crowley
05-27-2006, 08:30 PM
The meaning of noble signifies aristocrat not indo-european so it is a false conceit to label white people Aryan, which I myself have done prior to this moment.

Vindex
05-27-2006, 08:36 PM
Here is what I wrote of this subject in another thread.

Aryan is a two fold term, it is the Title many our Race referred to themselves as in very ancient times. And it is a aristocratic term that includes spiritual as well as Racial. Once when spirit and Race where understood as being of the same tree. One may be of the White Race but that only does not make one Aryan. And a non-White can also have a Aryan character/spirit.

Twice born Aryan and the meaning of this to me shows our Ancestors placed spiritual evolution of the individual as high importance. Because a White who was not twice born Aryan was looked down on as the whigger of there era. Living in this age, of spiritual degeneration and the resulting problems I can see why.

Very few of the White Race are Aryan, hence the major reason why the West is degenerating.
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Crowley
05-27-2006, 08:44 PM
Aryan is a two fold term, it is the Title many our Race referred to themselves as in very ancient times.

I think it is more likely that since all the ancient ruling houses were in fact nobility the original meaning of aryan is refering to this class of indo-european, so the priesthood and the workers were never properly considered Aryan.

I'm leaning more toward the all encompassing Occidental as a label for the larger group I claim membership and loyalty to.

I like your sig by the way.

Vindex
05-27-2006, 08:48 PM
Maybe in later cycles but originally in the last Golden Age when spiritual excellence and transendence was the normal and focus of the time.

The priesthood came form the warrior/noble caste.


I think it is more likely that since all the ancient ruling houses were in fact nobility the original meaning of aryan is refering to this class of indo-european, so the priesthood and the workers were never properly considered Aryan.

I'm leaning more toward the all encompassing Occidental as a label for the larger group I claim membership and loyalty to.

I like your sig by the way.

Crowley
05-27-2006, 08:52 PM
Maybe in later cycles but originally in the last Golden Age when spiritual excellence and transendence was the normal and focus of the time.

The priesthood came form the warrior/noble caste.

What are your sources? I'm thinking Theosophy.

Vindex
05-27-2006, 08:58 PM
The Gods, Evola the ancient texts and the list goes on and on.

What are your sources? I'm thinking Theosophy.

Aragorn
05-28-2006, 10:18 AM
I myself hardly use the word Aryan to describe white people/culture, even my one ones. My aim is pan-Germanism, and therefore my loyalty lies to all Germanic peoples. If someone use the word Aryan, it reflects upon other white non-Germanic peoples aswell. For example, Polacks, Russians, Czechs, even Albanians, and according to panf, we should consider Marrocans, Turks as Aryan aswell.

Sulla the Dictator
05-28-2006, 10:37 AM
Are the Aryans capable of carrying the one ring to Mt. Doom or do they need help from another race?

Oh, and who would win in a fight, an Aryan or a 5th level Super Demon?

Gorilla
05-28-2006, 11:45 AM
Stormfront Aryans are Pz-IV's.

wintermute
05-29-2006, 05:59 AM
Oh, and who would win in a fight, an Aryan or a 5th level Super Demon?

Based on the last go round between the Aryans and Four Planetary Empires composed of Fifth Level Super Demons, I'd have to say the latter.

But there is a point where sheer numbers come into play.

Have you ever read Stalin's War of Extermination, Sulla? I highly recommend it. I think it will jostle some of your preconceptions . . . gently.

My copy arrived from Germany with a sticker telling me it was approved by the Censorship Board (I'm American, so I immediately thought, my tax dollars at work). It'll provide you with a lowdown on the lastest from the Soviet Archives, and is very interesting.

WM

Kodos
05-29-2006, 06:02 AM
Are the Aryans capable of carrying the one ring to Mt. Doom or do they need help from another race?

They need help from the mongrel hobbit mud people...

Who the fuck writes this stuff?

daisy
06-07-2006, 09:46 AM
I deleted your spam reply for a reason Daisy, so don't bother reposting it.

Stan

Watzy
06-15-2006, 04:19 PM
Why were they Aryans (noble/superior)? Be cause they were the most creative! We define superiority on demonstrated ability and/or achievement. They as the Master-race founded all civilizations and dominated inferior slave-race peoples.

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If there were no Aryans such as Sun Tzu, the Chineze would have remained completelly ignorand about methods already known to Tzu's creative Nordic brethren in 6th century Europe BC.

Daniel Shays
06-15-2006, 04:33 PM
http://elamb.blogharbor.com/hacked/images/sun.jpg

If there were no Aryans such as Sun Tzu, the Chineze would have remained completelly ignorand about methods already known to Tzu's creative Nordic brethren in 6th century Europe BC.

Can other races be Aryan?


Yes, but only if we put them in groups. For example the most superior people of Asia would be the Japanese, they could thus be considered Asian Aryans. However they could not be called Aryans when compared on a global scale since the Europids are superior as demonstrated by ability and/or achievement.

Watzy
06-15-2006, 05:14 PM
Can other races be Aryan?


Yes, but only if we put them in groups. For example the most superior people of Asia would be the Japanese, they could thus be considered Asian Aryans. However they could not be called Aryans when compared on a global scale since the Europids are superior as demonstrated by ability and/or achievement.

In other words Tzu was an Aryan (creative and superior) only in respect to his Asian counterparts (other strategists and generals), but in respect to his European counterparts of his time (chieftains of the scattered tribes) he was a slave-race (noncreative and inferior).

harjit
06-15-2006, 05:48 PM
Yes, but only if we put them in groups. For example the most superior people of Asia would be the Japanese, they could thus be considered Asian Aryans. However they could not be called Aryans when compared on a global scale since the Europids are superior as demonstrated by ability and/or achievement.
If superiority is the salient point then Jews would be the ultimate Aryans.

Such a small population yet such a large share of influence and accomplishment.

Ixtab
06-15-2006, 10:52 PM
Aryans are Indo-Europeans, nothing more nor less.

Ace Rimmer
06-15-2006, 10:56 PM
Aryans are Indo-Europeans, nothing more nor less.

By language.

Yockey
06-26-2006, 10:47 AM
I call myself "White." Aryan sounds retarded.

Ahknaton
06-26-2006, 10:50 AM
I usually call myself White as well, unless I'm debating with some emotionally unbalanced antis and I want to give them a wind-up, in which case Aryan is preferable.

albion
06-26-2006, 08:45 PM
Because of ethnolinguistic arguments about connections between peoples and cultural values, "Aryan" peoples were often considered to be distinct from Semitic peoples. By the end of the nineteenth century this usage was so common that "Aryan" was often used as a synonym for "gentile", and this popular usage persisted even after academic authors had ceased to use the term in any other meaning than "Indo-Iranian". Among White supremacists the term still sometimes functions as a synonym for non-Jewish "white person."

The Aryan race was a term used in the early 20th century by European racial theorists who believed strongly in the division of humanity into biologically distinct races with differing characteristics. Such writers took the view that the Proto-Indo-Europeans constituted a specific race that had expanded across Europe, Iran and India. This meaning was, and still is, common in theories of racial superiority which were embraced by Nazi Germany. This usage tends to merge the Avestan/Sanskrit meaning of "noble" or "elevated" with the idea of distinctive ancestral ethnicity marked by language distribution. In this interpretation, the Aryan Race is both the highest representative of mankind and the purest descendent of the Proto-Indo-European population.

From the late 19th century, a number of writers had argued that the Proto-Indo-Europeans had originated in Europe. Their opinion was received critically at first, but was widely accepted by the end of the nineteenth century. By 1905 Hermann Hirt in his Die Indogermanen (incidentally consistently using Indogermanen, not Arier to refer to the Indo-Europeans) claimed that the scales had tilted in favour of the hypothesis, in particular claiming the plains of northern Germany as the Urheimat (p. 197) and connecting the "blond type" (p. 192) with the core population of the early, "pure" Indo-Europeans. The identification of the Indo-Europeans with the north German Corded Ware culture was first proposed by Gustav Kossinna in 1902, and gained in notability over the following two decades, until V. Gordon Childe (notably of Marxist persuasion) who in his 1926 The Aryans: a study of Indo-European origins concluded that "the Nordics' superiority in physique fitted them to be the vehicles of a superior language" (a view which he later regretted having expressed).

The idea became a matter of national pride in learned circles of Germany, and was taken up by the Nazis. According to Alfred Rosenberg's ideology the "Aryan-Nordic" (arisch-nordisch) or "Nordic-Atlantean" (nordisch-atlantisch) race was thus a master race, at the top of a racial hierarchy, pitted against a "Jewish-Semitic" (jüdisch-semitisch) race, deemed to be a racial threat to Germany's homogeneous Aryan civilization, thus rationalizing Nazi anti-Semitism. Nazism portrayed their interpretation of an "Aryan race" as the only race capable of, or with an interest in, creating and maintaining culture and civilizations, while other races are merely capable of conversion, or destruction of culture. These arguments derived from late nineteenth century racial hierarchies. Some Nazis were also influenced by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine (1888) where she postulates "Aryans" as the fifth of her "Root Races", dating them to about a million years ago, tracing them to Atlantis, an idea also repeated by Rosenberg, and held as doctrine by the Thule Society. Such theories were used to justify the introduction of the so-called "Aryan laws" by the Nazis, depriving "non-Aryans" of citizenship and employment rights, and prohibiting marriage between Aryans and non-Aryans. Though Mussolini's fascism was not originally characterised by explicit anti-Semitism, he too eventually introduced laws pressed upon him by Hitler, prohibiting mixed-race marriages between "Aryans" and Jews.

Because of historical racist use of Aryan, and especially use of Aryan race in connection with the propaganda of Nazism, the word is sometimes avoided in the West as being tainted, in the same manner as the swastika symbol. In the English language, the use of the word "Aryan" when referring to an ethnic group or race is no longer in technical use, and the popular use of "white person" fell out of use during the 1930s when the obvious obsession of the Nazis with the term became a matter of ridicule in Britain and North America. In the USA, the established and less contentious term "Caucasian" became dominant in official usage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan