Ixtab
05-29-2006, 10:22 AM
I basically think this and that genocide from WWII to Milosevic are all a systemic deception that have in common certain similarities and quirks that have been exposed through years of studying text documentation.
I have basically found the 'feel' for US/Jewish allegations of "human rights abuses". It all goes back to the idea of there having been justice at Nuremburg. (It is a complete historical lie that some sort of due process existed; from Nuremburg on the continuation of UN trials and procedures for interference.)
Basically those who are referred to in the West as "holocaust deniers" have beyond a shadow of a doubt debunked the claims of homocidal gas chambers. That is another story I suppose, but the significance is far greater than Jewry or the cynical agenda of certain right wing anti-Zionists. In fact not only is this obviously relevant to Germany, it is relevant to the Soviet Union, Kampuchea, and Yugoslavia. It is relevant to the claims made against the USSR that Stalin killed 500 billion people and ate them.
Eichman can be compared to Pol Pot's Mr Samphan - not that they are even remotely similar ideologically, but that they play a similar purpose. You see, we have Samphan 'admitting' what he is supposed to admit to and therefore, who needs proof? ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ACT OF GENOCIDE CLAIMED SINCE WWII WHETHER TRUE OR NOT RESTS SOLELY ON SUPPOPSED WITNESSES IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT FORENSIC SCIENCE HAS ADVANCED EXPONENTIALLY. In Gerstein's case he is "confessing" in a language he is not fluent in and yet he is writing in it!
People then say are you accusing the Jews of lying. No, of course not! Huge, huge numbers passed away mostly through starvation and neglect. Mass graves did exist. If you tell concentration camp victims that six million were killed or two million or sixty million or whatever number -- they will believe you! Who counts dead bodies in mass graves?
In the same sense we have thousands of Cambodians in the US, along with other people from Asian countries that moved towards communism. The Cambodians propably did see much death and destruction. The question becomes, How much are the independence forces to blame for excesses that were or seemed necessary at a time of starvation and death caused by imperialist interference?
One suspects that war being the brutality it is that post-war "trials" involve substantial revenge, that torture is used and that individuals will opportunistically claim the established party line and say, "Yes, such and such occured but I was not part of it," so that they may free their own neck, or simply because they cannot take the pain of being brutalised anymore.
I suspect much of the same about the former Yugoslavia. It is funny, though. Marshal Tito was so enthusiastic about all this "opening up" to America, that all these post-Titoist ideologues are shocked that America would be as ruthless to them as it was to Vietnam. After all, they self-defeatingly showed the US militarists how 'good' they are! The less is it, therefore, that the US can be reasoned with except through military force.
My basic overal "pitch", if you will, is that whoever is fighting the Jews needs to be supported, that the imperialists and Zionists, centering on the US, need to be bled out and that the American working class isn't going to come around until it is crushed, not persuaded.
Over and over again Socialists keep the same liberal/left alliance and it continues to parrot pro-Jewish positions, which clearly means such alliance is outdated and should not exist anymore.
I have basically found the 'feel' for US/Jewish allegations of "human rights abuses". It all goes back to the idea of there having been justice at Nuremburg. (It is a complete historical lie that some sort of due process existed; from Nuremburg on the continuation of UN trials and procedures for interference.)
Basically those who are referred to in the West as "holocaust deniers" have beyond a shadow of a doubt debunked the claims of homocidal gas chambers. That is another story I suppose, but the significance is far greater than Jewry or the cynical agenda of certain right wing anti-Zionists. In fact not only is this obviously relevant to Germany, it is relevant to the Soviet Union, Kampuchea, and Yugoslavia. It is relevant to the claims made against the USSR that Stalin killed 500 billion people and ate them.
Eichman can be compared to Pol Pot's Mr Samphan - not that they are even remotely similar ideologically, but that they play a similar purpose. You see, we have Samphan 'admitting' what he is supposed to admit to and therefore, who needs proof? ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ACT OF GENOCIDE CLAIMED SINCE WWII WHETHER TRUE OR NOT RESTS SOLELY ON SUPPOPSED WITNESSES IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT FORENSIC SCIENCE HAS ADVANCED EXPONENTIALLY. In Gerstein's case he is "confessing" in a language he is not fluent in and yet he is writing in it!
People then say are you accusing the Jews of lying. No, of course not! Huge, huge numbers passed away mostly through starvation and neglect. Mass graves did exist. If you tell concentration camp victims that six million were killed or two million or sixty million or whatever number -- they will believe you! Who counts dead bodies in mass graves?
In the same sense we have thousands of Cambodians in the US, along with other people from Asian countries that moved towards communism. The Cambodians propably did see much death and destruction. The question becomes, How much are the independence forces to blame for excesses that were or seemed necessary at a time of starvation and death caused by imperialist interference?
One suspects that war being the brutality it is that post-war "trials" involve substantial revenge, that torture is used and that individuals will opportunistically claim the established party line and say, "Yes, such and such occured but I was not part of it," so that they may free their own neck, or simply because they cannot take the pain of being brutalised anymore.
I suspect much of the same about the former Yugoslavia. It is funny, though. Marshal Tito was so enthusiastic about all this "opening up" to America, that all these post-Titoist ideologues are shocked that America would be as ruthless to them as it was to Vietnam. After all, they self-defeatingly showed the US militarists how 'good' they are! The less is it, therefore, that the US can be reasoned with except through military force.
My basic overal "pitch", if you will, is that whoever is fighting the Jews needs to be supported, that the imperialists and Zionists, centering on the US, need to be bled out and that the American working class isn't going to come around until it is crushed, not persuaded.
Over and over again Socialists keep the same liberal/left alliance and it continues to parrot pro-Jewish positions, which clearly means such alliance is outdated and should not exist anymore.