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Nyx
05-31-2006, 09:13 AM
Should pornography be outlawed?

Micaelis
05-31-2006, 09:21 AM
No, pornography should not be outlawed.

Ahknaton
05-31-2006, 09:28 AM
I don't think pornography is healthy for society or a good thing, but I don't think it should be outlawed.

WFHermans
05-31-2006, 09:28 AM
No, however Micaelis' avatar should be outlawed from the Phora.

limit
05-31-2006, 09:28 AM
Only sick porn, not nature captured on camera.

nooneatall
05-31-2006, 09:28 AM
only violent porn, child porn, and interracial porn.

Jimbo Gomez
05-31-2006, 09:29 AM
No, it shouldn't, as long as it is heterosexual. It is impossble to outlaw it, most realistic policy would be to crack down on the perverted excesses.

Nyx
05-31-2006, 09:30 AM
All Pornography should be outlawed. Anyone who disagrees isn't fit to live in a civilised Society.

I shall post more on this later.

Ahknaton
05-31-2006, 09:34 AM
What about cartoons or paintings of a pornographic nature? (i.e. pornography without prostitution)

Starr
05-31-2006, 09:36 AM
I have never personally understood the concept of getting turned on by watching unknown people in sexual situations. why the hell does anyone need this to get aroused?

The hardcore jew porn filth definitely needs to go. There is no need or place for it in a civilized society.

Hugh Jorgen
05-31-2006, 09:43 AM
When Israel militarily occupies the towns of the Westbank, they seize the tv stations and pump non-stop porn. It is a successful distraction to keep many male youths occupied wanking instead of on the streets protesting, in various forms, the enemy invasion of their society.

I think porn, as well as the promotion of homosexuality, is used as a cultural tool to promote hedonism/materialism and to distract youth from altruistic personal and political involvement in their world. New World/New Game!

WFHermans
05-31-2006, 09:43 AM
Outlawing deviate porn would make the price go up, therefore more money for the jews to make more snuff movies.

limit
05-31-2006, 09:45 AM
only violent porn, child porn,

For obvious reasons.

and interracial porn.

Mixed race porn is ridiculous. The people that make it are black, and it just so happens they all have huge ones. Why that image would be promoted, I have no idea. Banning it would be a bit hard though, as it would appear to many to be oppression of the women with the huge black guys. I might try a black guy myself :p

Jimbo Gomez
05-31-2006, 09:46 AM
When Israel militarily occupies the towns of the Westbank, they seize the tv stations and pump non-stop porn. It is a successful distraction to keep many male youths occupied wanking instead of on the streets protesting, in various forms, the enemy invasion of their society.


I would love to see evidence of this. Genius tactic if it is true.

Starr
05-31-2006, 09:51 AM
That just sounds like TJB all the way.

I think porn, as well as the promotion of homosexuality, is used as a cultural tool to promote hedonism/materialism and to distract youth from altruistic personal and political involvement in their world. New World/New Game!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Hugh Jorgen again.

Hugh Jorgen
05-31-2006, 09:56 AM
I would love to see evidence of this. Genius tactic if it is true.

Well ... they are geniuses at oppression and murder.

Helios Panoptes
05-31-2006, 09:57 AM
Well ... they are geniuses at oppression and murder.

Is that a resounding "no" to the request for evidence?

The Retard
05-31-2006, 09:57 AM
The world would be better off without it so I voted against pornography.

Ahknaton
05-31-2006, 10:05 AM
Is that a resounding "no" to the request for evidence?
I think either Mazdak or Julian Lee mentioned it on one of the epic masturbation threads originally.

Ahknaton
05-31-2006, 10:07 AM
Another "what if" scenario:

What if porn was limited to erotic novels, i.e. text but no pictures?

I personally thought 120 Days of Sodom was a great book, although I wasn't reading it to be "aroused".

Hugh Jorgen
05-31-2006, 10:09 AM
Is that a resounding "no" to the request for evidence?

It was old news, back when Israel was invading towns and villages in the Westbank. I'll see if I can find that old source. Patience is a virtue.

nooneatall
05-31-2006, 10:10 AM
Mixed race porn is ridiculous. The people that make it are black, and it just so happens they all have huge ones. Why that image would be promoted, I have no idea. Banning it would be a bit hard though, as it would appear to many to be oppression of the women with the huge black guys. I might try a black guy myself :p
I was thinking in terms of banning it in a racial nation state. It would be pointless to try and ban it in some place like the current era United States.

limit
05-31-2006, 10:20 AM
If thy eye offend thee, then pull it out

Taking a look down doesn't offend me too much.

Ahknaton
05-31-2006, 10:23 AM
It was old news, back when Israel was invading towns and villages in the Westbank. I'll see if I can find that old source. Patience is a virtue.
Here's one link I found:

http://reason.com/links/links040302.shtml

Jimbo Gomez
05-31-2006, 10:28 AM
What about softcore porn?

The Retard
05-31-2006, 10:32 AM
What about softcore porn?

Well it's pornography isn't it?

Jimbo Gomez
05-31-2006, 10:34 AM
Well it's pornography isn't it?

Would you people outlaw some harmless naked pictures of scantily clad women if they weren't doing anything obscene on them?

Starr
05-31-2006, 10:36 AM
Define softcore porn.

One thing I would have no issues with is a couple making dirty videos in the privacy of their home to watch at later times. It might be different for men, but I would be much more turned on by looking at dirty pics or videos of my husband or boyfriend than some nasty porn star.

How the hell can a woman enjoy looking at Ron Jeremy, for instance. That is revolting and would make me think about violently vomiting(much like the girl in my avatar:D ) rather than having sex.

Jimbo Gomez
05-31-2006, 10:41 AM
anything that does not show penetration or sextoys is softcore in my definition

The Retard
05-31-2006, 10:42 AM
Would you people outlaw some harmless naked pictures of scantily clad women if they weren't doing anything obscene on them?

Are you talking about art?

Define softcore porn.

I define it as the trash they show on cinemax during the late hours.

Geist
05-31-2006, 10:43 AM
No it should not, man has desired porn for as long as it was possible, and will continue to do so for all time. Trying to completely control personal lives in this manner cannot be healthy for the population.

Jonathan
05-31-2006, 10:46 AM
It should be restricted, and taboo. Not outlawed though.

Hugh Jorgen
05-31-2006, 10:47 AM
Would you people outlaw some harmless naked pictures of scantily clad women if they weren't doing anything obscene on them?

I wouldn't outlaw anything. As long as the observer is aware that there is a game a foot. The Pornmeisters are not only profiteers but are shills for the New World Order whose agenda is self gratification and contempt for others. If that is your world then sign up ...$99.95 a year.

Micaelis
05-31-2006, 10:48 AM
One thing I would have no issues with is a couple making dirty videos in the privacy of their home

Why should sexuality be privatised when its leakage is everywhere?

Starr
05-31-2006, 10:51 AM
Sex belongs in the bedroom. Not all over TV and in everyone's face 24 hours a day. This only cheapens the act and also the people who are part of the indulgent oversexed culture.

Micaelis
05-31-2006, 11:00 AM
Sex belongs in the bedroom.

Why not on a beach at dusk or in the grass on a hot night? Or perhaps in a public stall or dressing room? :whip: Really, no mask can cover our sex. Pornography is one of its many outlets.

OVERWATCH
05-31-2006, 11:08 AM
What would be an equally, if not more, interesting topic would be to hear everyone's definition of porn.

More or less, the current laws as they stand are fine by me.

All Pornography should be outlawed. Anyone who disagrees isn't fit to live in a civilised Society.


:rofl:

Hugh Jorgen
05-31-2006, 11:09 AM
Why not on a beach at dusk or in the grass on a hot night? Or perhaps in a public stall or dressing room? :whip: Really, no mask can cover our sex. Pornography is one of its many outlets.

Yeah ... but if you've got a juicy woman and you have a stiffy cock ...what is the add-on for publication? Brownie-points?

Starr
05-31-2006, 11:15 AM
Why not on a beach at dusk or in the grass on a hot night? Or perhaps in a public stall or dressing room? :whip: Really, no mask can cover our sex. Pornography is one of its many outlets.


The first one is the only one that sounds halfway appealing. A public stall(like near a toilet? Yuck!) or dressing room sounds like something a hooker(and a very cheap one at that) would do. By "the bedroom" I simply meant more private between two people. We don't need naked pictures and pornographic videos, everywhere.

Helios Panoptes
05-31-2006, 11:30 AM
Starr, the subject of this thread is not whether you find it arousing or not. The subject of this thread is also not whether or not pornography needs to be "everywhere." Furthermore, the subject of this thread is not even whether we need it at all. The matter at hand is, rather, whether or not pornography should be outlawed.

Micaelis
05-31-2006, 11:38 AM
Starr, the subject of this thread is not whether you find it arousing or not. The subject of this thread is also not whether or not pornography needs to be "everywhere." Furthermore, the subject of this thread is not even whether we need it at all. The matter at hand is, rather, whether or not pornography should be outlawed.

She voted yes, and everywhere says no.

WFHermans
05-31-2006, 11:55 AM
Publicly it should be outlawed.

Ahmadinebobina
05-31-2006, 01:13 PM
ideally, yes. it displeases me. but, yet, no.

Jimbo Gomez
05-31-2006, 01:15 PM
ideally, yes. it displeases me. but, yet, no.

Make up your mind Bobina.

Ahmadinebobina
05-31-2006, 01:16 PM
i did. in bobina's world - yes. in the real world - no.

Jimbo Gomez
05-31-2006, 01:19 PM
What if real world porn involves norseybobs, or horseybobs, or both?

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 01:26 PM
Interracial : BAN w/ caning for possesion, death penalty for performing
Male Homosexual : BAN
Child : BAN w/ death penalty for possession and performing
Violent : BAN
Beastiality : BAN w/ caning for possesion and death penalty for performing

WFHermans
05-31-2006, 01:33 PM
That would mean the death penalty for the government of Israel and the US Congress.

See http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/AbramoffSexSpyRing.htm

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 01:35 PM
That would mean the death penalty for the government of Israel and the US Congress.

See http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/AbramoffSexSpyRing.htm

That is disturbing but it wouldn't mean as harsh a sentence as porn gets. Pornography is sexual propaganda and is therefore a much greater threat to society than prostitution.

Jimbo Gomez
05-31-2006, 01:38 PM
How is it worse than prostitution?

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 01:56 PM
How is it worse than prostitution?
Pornography is sold in large quantities and retards social skills which leads men to seek prostitutes as they grow older.

Jimbo Gomez
05-31-2006, 02:01 PM
Pornography is sold in large quantities and retards social skills which leads men to seek prostitutes as they grow older.

Quite a claim. Evidence?...

Anarch
05-31-2006, 02:03 PM
Quite a claim. Evidence?...
When was the last time Sinclair, our residential fapitalist, got laid?

Jimbo Gomez
05-31-2006, 02:06 PM
When was the last time Sinclair, our residential fapitalist, got laid?


He's a kid ffs.

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 02:09 PM
Quite a claim. Evidence?...

http://www.cief.ca/research_reports/harm.htm#porn_affects


As much of the research demonstrates, there is a modest to strong correlation between exposure to pornography and deviant activity by individuals. Child-centered studies show that children are affected at least as much as adults are.

One researcher who argues that pornography harms children puts it this way, "A child's sexual development occurs gradually through childhood. Exposure to pornography shapes children's sexual perspective by providing them information on sexual activity. However, the type of information provided by pornography does not provide children with a normal sexual perspective."

"To children, pornography is instructional in that it provides a visual message about new information. However, that information is not an accurate portrayal of human sexuality. Photographs, videos, magazines, and virtual games which portray rape and the dehumanization of females in sexual scenes are powerful forms of sex education. Unlike learning provided in an educational setting, exposure to pornography is counterproductive to the goal of healthy and appropriate sexual development in children. It teaches without supervision or guidance, inundating children's minds with graphic messages about their bodies, their own sexuality, and those of adults and children around them." 25

Hermetic
05-31-2006, 02:11 PM
I would like to state yes, since it would put a huge dent in the yids shekel book, money which they use in there eternal hate crime against all gentiles. But it would in the end just turn out like the time they tried to outlaw booze. Lots of other yids would just make it into a big underground rackett and there other yid connections and corrupt goy bigwigs would make sure they only get a slap on the wrist if caught.

All of this porno is the side effect of having jews in the West, just remove all jews frist, and clean up and bring back Aryan culture. And such things will naturally clear up as just as a body heals after having the cancer removed.

Thomas777
05-31-2006, 02:24 PM
Porn/Obscenity laws in America should operate in terms of "home rule"...much as they do now. Individual jurisdictions should decide how such material is to be regulated.

Fact is, I don't believe porno makes people deviant...I think that deviant people seek out pornography. If anybody can produce any persuasive evidence that normal, healthy people become dysfunctional or indulge in criminal behavior after viewing pornography, I would like to see it.

Porn is also not an exclusively Jewish endeavor. Sure, Jews are way overrepresented on the production side, but some of the purveyors of the most degenerate material (Larry Flynt, Max Hardcore, John T. Bone et at) are 100% White.

Hakluyt
05-31-2006, 02:52 PM
Absolutely, I've always thought it should be. There's obviously nothing to stop its free distribution on the internet, but it should be illegal to profit from or advertise/sell publicly.


When was the last time Sinclair, our residential fapitalist, got laid?
I distinctly remember my first ever Phora post was on this topic, to which Sinclair responded with a hearty riposte of his usual libertarian National-Fapistalism :p. I doubt his situation has changed much.

Personally, I became contra-porn only after I started having sex regularly

Eddy
05-31-2006, 03:02 PM
No, my hard drive and my bookshelf are my business. If a local community wants to outlaw public displays and advertisements, I have no problem with that. If anyone wants to regulate what's on my hard drive or what I privately pirat.. err, purchase via internet, I think they are in dire need of better hobbies than obsessing over what other people do. Sexually explicit entertainment will not disappear from a society.

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 03:06 PM
No, my hard drive and my bookshelf are my business.
That's what they all say.

http://www.pathguy.com/lectures/caning2.jpg

Eddy
05-31-2006, 03:16 PM
That's what they all say.



Sorry, we don't have caning here and porn is legal. Though I disagree with it, the boobs sitting around plotting racial revolutions are more likely to get hauled in by the State they're fellating than people watching porn.

Jimbo Gomez
05-31-2006, 03:18 PM
I am all in favour of caning the degenerate.

Helios Panoptes
05-31-2006, 03:25 PM
http://www.cief.ca/research_reports/harm.htm#porn_affects




Tsk tsk. "Pornography affects children"

Ahmadinebobina
05-31-2006, 03:34 PM
I am all in favour of caning the degenerate.

sounds like porn.

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 04:56 PM
Fact is, I don't believe porno makes people deviant...I think that deviant people seek out pornography.

Yeah and heroin doesn't make people addicted, addicts just seek out heroin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139062,00.html

Internet pornography is corrupting children and hooking adults into an addiction that threatens their jobs and families, a panel of anti-porn advocates told the hearing organized by Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., chairman of the Commerce subcommittee on science.

Brownback, a father of five, said when he was a boy, the typical kid's exposure was limited to occasional peeks at dirty magazines illicitly obtained by a buddy.

Now, he said, pornography seems pervasive. Children run across it while researching homework on the Internet. Vulgar ads arrive unexpectedly by e-mail.

Sen. Sam Brownback is leading the way in the crusade against smut. This country needs a White man with a Bible in one hand and a rattan cane in the other.

http://brownback.senate.gov/pressapp/record.cfm?id=248591&&days=365

Eddy
05-31-2006, 05:01 PM
Yeah and heroin doesn't make people addicted, addicts just seek out heroin.


This statement is actually true.

Thomas777
05-31-2006, 05:03 PM
Yeah and heroin doesn't make people addicted, addicts just seek out heroin.


Its a flawed comparison. Heroin causes biochemical changes that promote physical dependence upon the substance. Are you suggesting that people become chemically dependant upon pornography after viewing it and become violently ill when such viewing ceases?

Helios Panoptes
05-31-2006, 05:04 PM
Wow, Eddy.... that was like deep stuff.

It may not be deep, but it is largely true. Maybe the truth is sometimes shallow... :confused:

Eddy
05-31-2006, 05:09 PM
Woo, leave it to Faux News...

Children run across it while researching homework on the Internet. Vulgar ads arrive unexpectedly by e-mail.

There are easily acquired programs available to block pr0n from a family's comp, but leave it to some silly and naive race cultists to run begging to the very State that increasingly wants to lump "hate speech" along with net porn in the VERBOTEN list to be drawn to transparent scare-mongering designed to lead the herd towards State control of one of the last areas where worldwide communication and information is not dependent on a couple gatekeepers and huge pile of dough. Maybe some Americans here would prefer a North Korean style government, or perhaps Iranian.

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 05:12 PM
Are you suggesting that people become chemically dependant upon pornography after viewing it and become violently ill when such viewing ceases?
While they may not suffer from violent withdrawals it is chemically addicting.

Endorphins, testosterone, cortisol, and other hormonal changes occur with the male orgasm. People get hooked on that feeling and keep coming back to porn for another fix.

Thomas777
05-31-2006, 05:13 PM
While they may not suffer from violent withdrawals it is chemically addicting.

Endorphins, testosterone, cortisol, and other hormonal changes occur with the male orgasm. People get hooked on that feeling and keep coming back to porn for another fix.

Produce some scientific evidence to substantiate your claim and I'll accept the argument.

Eddy
05-31-2006, 05:16 PM
While they may not suffer from violent withdrawals it is chemically addicting.

Endorphins, testosterone, cortisol, and other hormonal changes occur with the male orgasm. People get hooked on that feeling and keep coming back to porn for another fix.

The infrastructure is crumbling, productivity is plummeting, and the children are starving because the citizenry are hopelessly glued to their chairs jacking off to boobie pics. This is a matter of EXTREME NATIONAL IMPORTANCE!

Sinclair
05-31-2006, 05:17 PM
When was the last time Sinclair, our residential fapitalist, got laid?

Chicken and egg. I'm not unlaid because I like porn, it's the opposite way around. Something's gotta take up the slack.

Computer games and the internet are probably far more to blame.

Eddy
05-31-2006, 05:20 PM
Then there are people who combine the two. :)

Thomas777
05-31-2006, 05:20 PM
Maybe I've been lazy in my review of the responses here but what exactly are we talking about? Is "pornography" the beaver shots that are displayed in "Playboy" magazine? Is "pornography" strictly images of actual sexual penetration? Something different than either? Exactly what sort of material are we discussing here?

Helios Panoptes
05-31-2006, 05:22 PM
While they may not suffer from violent withdrawals it is chemically addicting.

Endorphins, testosterone, cortisol, and other hormonal changes occur with the male orgasm. People get hooked on that feeling and keep coming back to porn for another fix.

In the sense you are using it, any "pleasurable" behavior can be said to be chemically addictive. There are electro-chemical correlates to feelings of pleasure, always.

Eddy
05-31-2006, 05:25 PM
Maybe I've been lazy in my review of the responses here but what exactly are we talking about? Is "pornography" the beaver shots that are displayed in "Playboy" magazine? Is "pornography" strictly images of actual sexual penetration? Something different than either? Exactly what sort of material are we discussing here?

I think of it as any sexually explicit entertainment which is created to make people whack off. Boobie pics, penetration, erotica fiction, S&M, the works.

O'Zebedee
05-31-2006, 05:26 PM
Thomas speaketh good sense.

In any event, hatred of pictures of nekkid wimmen always seems to point to revulsion at the human body in general. You can argue objectification, you can argue the idea of 'feeding the debased needs of sex-a-holics,' but what it comes down to is puritanism, which is fine as a personal philosophy but terrible as a law.

I personally never found porn interesting, and strippers always seemed pointless - after all, I wasn't going home with these women.

Eddy
05-31-2006, 05:31 PM
...strippers always seemed pointless - after all, I wasn't going home with these women.

It's exploitation of men when you think about it, you're PAYING to get cockteased!

O'Zebedee
05-31-2006, 05:40 PM
It's exploitation of men when you think about it, you're PAYING to get cockteased!

The very first time (and only time) I saw strippers I was on tour - out of boredom I decided to check it out with the guys.

It was the first anniversary of Sept 11th - while a bored stripper twirled around the floor the TVs above her head were flashing images of buildings crumbling and people screaming (though the sound was obviously turned off).

It was an extremely odd juxtaposition.

Eddy
05-31-2006, 05:46 PM
The very first time (and only time) I saw strippers I was on tour - out of boredom I decided to check it out with the guys.

It was the first anniversary of Sept 11th - while a bored stripper twirled around the floor the TVs above her head were flashing images of buildings crumbling and people screaming (though the sound was obviously turned off).

It was an extremely odd juxtaposition.

Hmmm, artistic.

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 05:52 PM
Produce some scientific evidence to substantiate your claim and I'll accept the argument.

http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/23/27/9185

Brain Activation during Human Male Ejaculation

Gert Holstege,1 Janniko R. Georgiadis,1 Anne M. J. Paans,2 Linda C. Meiners,3 Ferdinand H. C. E. van der Graaf,4 and A. A. T. Simone Reinders5

1Department of Anatomy and Embryology, University of Groningen, 9713 AV Groningen, The Netherlands, and 2Positron Emission Tomography Centre and Departments of 3Radiology, 4Neurology, and 5Biological Psychiatry, University Hospital Groningen, 9713 AV Groningen, The Netherlands


Brain mechanisms that control human sexual behavior in general, and ejaculation in particular, are poorly understood. We used positron emission tomography to measure increases in regional cerebral blood flow (rCBF) during ejaculation compared with sexual stimulation in heterosexual male volunteers. Manual penile stimulation was performed by the volunteer's female partner. Primary activation was found in the mesodiencephalic transition zone, including the ventral tegmental area, which is involved in a wide variety of rewarding behaviors. Parallels are drawn between ejaculation and heroin rush. Other activated mesodiencephalic structures are the midbrain lateral central tegmental field, zona incerta, subparafascicular nucleus, and the ventroposterior, midline, and intralaminar thalamic nuclei. Increased activation was also present in the lateral putamen and adjoining parts of the claustrum.

Neocortical activity was only found in Brodmann areas 7/40, 18, 21, 23, and 47, exclusively on the right side. On the basis of studies in rodents, the medial preoptic area, bed nucleus of the stria terminalis, and amygdala are thought to be involved in ejaculation, but increased rCBF was not found in any of these regions. Conversely, in the amygdala and adjacent entorhinal cortex, a decrease in activation was observed.

Remarkably strong rCBF increases were observed in the cerebellum. These findings corroborate the recent notion that the cerebellum plays an important role in emotional processing. The present study for the first time provides insight into which regions in the human brain play a primary role in ejaculation, and the results might have important implications for our understanding of how human ejaculation is brought about, and for our ability to improve sexual function and satisfaction in men.


http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/23/27/9185

Two previous studies have attempted to register brain activation in humans during ejaculation. An EEG study showed no remarkable changes in brain activity (Graber et al., 1985), whereas a single positron emission computed tomography study (Tiihonen et al., 1994) indicated a decrease in blood flow in all cortical areas, except for a significant increase in the right prefrontal cortex.

The design of the present PET study provides the time-scale resolution necessary to identify brain regions that are specifically activated during ejaculation and orgasm. Although fMRI has superior spatial and temporal resolution, we have applied PET scanning, because it is less sensitive to movement artifacts than fMRI (Turner et al., 1998). The various regions in which increased rCBF was found will be discussed successively.

Mesodiencephalic junction
The strongest activation was found in the mesodiencephalic transition zone. On the basis of the limited spatial resolution of the PET technique, it is not possible to distinguish specific brainregions within this area. The activated area at the mesodiencephalic junction comprises the VTA, subparafascicular nucleus, LCTF, and medial and ventral thalamus.

The VTA is located ventrally in the activated cluster. It contains the A10 dopaminergic cell group and plays a crucial role in a wide range of rewarding behaviors (McBride et al., 1999). Increased activation in the area of the VTA was also seen during cocaine (Breiter et al., 1997) and heroin rush (Sell et al., 1999). The finding that heroin addicts experience orgasmic pleasure with heroin usage (De Leon and Wexler, 1973; Mirin et al., 1980; Seecof and Tennant, 1986) fits with the notion that the VTA is the key element in both heroin and sexual orgasm. It also may explain why heroin addicts have a suppressed sex drive (Minz et al., 1974; Cicero et al., 1975), because heroin already heavily stimulates this region (Sell et al., 1999). The present findings may represent an anatomical substrate for the strongly reinforcing nature of sexual activity in humans. Because ejaculation introduces sperm into the female reproductive tract, it would be critical for reproduction of the species to favor ejaculation as a most rewarding behavior.

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/mind/stories/s1407052.htm

Natasha Mitchell: I mean surely that could indicate that if our reward pathways are in a sense satiated during orgasm, that we could potentially all be addicted to sex?

Gert Holstege: Actually real people that are addicted to heroin are not interested anymore in sex – it’s a very well known fact. Because they say “when I take the needle and I inject myself with heroin I get a much better orgasm than during sex”.

So it is really something…and we are addicted to sex as you know, as everybody is. The point this prefrontal cortex this orbital frontal cortex that is controlling whether we can do it or not. And for example people that don’t have this part of the brain and these people exist, these people really go for it all the time.

Thomas777
05-31-2006, 05:58 PM
http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/23/27/9185



http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/23/27/9185



http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/mind/stories/s1407052.htm


This evidence substantiates the claim that: Ejaculation facilitates a biochemical reaction that is allegorically similar to the biochemical reaction that is facilitated by the exogenous introduction of opiates into the human body.

This evidence does NOT substantiate the claim that: Viewing pornography promotes a biochemical reaction that is allegorically similar to the biochemical reaction that is facilitated by the exogenous introduction of opiates into the human body.

What you have done is made the case for outlawing the practice of jerking off.

Kodos
05-31-2006, 06:09 PM
I have never personally understood the concept of getting turned on by watching unknown people in sexual situations. why the hell does anyone need this to get aroused?

The hardcore jew porn filth definitely needs to go. There is no need or place for it in a civilized society.

Lets ban everything I don't like personally :( .

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 06:10 PM
What you have done is made the case for outlawing the practice of jerking off.
The US Senate has been briefed on the addictive nature of pornography by several experts.

The Science Behind Pornography Addiction

http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/witnesslist.cfm?id=1343


Thanks to the latest advances in neuroscience, we now know that pornographic visual images imprint and alter the brain, triggering an instant, involuntary, but lasting, biochemical memory trail, arguably, subverting the First Amendment by overriding the cognitive speech process. This is true of so-called “soft-core” and “hard-core” pornography. And once new neurochemical pathways are established they are difficult or impossible to delete.

Pornographic images also cause secretion of the body’s “fight or flight” sex hormones. This triggers excitatory transmitters and produces non-rational, involuntary reactions; intense arousal states that overlap sexual lust--now with fear, shame, and/or hostility and violence. Media erotic fantasies become deeply imbedded, commonly coarsening, confusing, motivating and addicting many of those exposed. Pornography triggers myriad kinds of internal, natural drugs that mimic the “high” from a street drug. Addiction to pornography is addiction to what I dub erototoxins -- mind-altering drugs produced by the viewer’s own brain.

OVERWATCH
05-31-2006, 06:11 PM
What you have done is made the case for outlawing the practice of jerking off.

Not only that, but also made a case for outlawing any sexual activity which results in ejaculation as well.

Kodos
05-31-2006, 06:11 PM
Starr, the subject of this thread is not whether you find it arousing or not. The subject of this thread is also not whether or not pornography needs to be "everywhere." Furthermore, the subject of this thread is not even whether we need it at all. The matter at hand is, rather, whether or not pornography should be outlawed.

You know what should be outlawed, women voting :rofl: .

Kodos
05-31-2006, 06:13 PM
I am all in favour of caning the degenerate.

I liked it when Singapore caned that punk( he commited real crimes like vandalizing cars)... it would have been cooler if they hanged him.

Eddy
05-31-2006, 06:13 PM
Lofl, "experts."

Even drug addiction has been hopelessly overhyped and muddled by "experts" with an agenda.

Poppycock (http://www.speakeasy.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=8980&hl=poppycock)

Helios Panoptes
05-31-2006, 06:13 PM
You know what should be outlawed, women voting :rofl: .

If someone made a poll about that, I would vote in favor of abolishing female suffrage. :)

OVERWATCH
05-31-2006, 06:14 PM
We don't need a nanny state to protect people from their own weaknesses. Let nature take it's course.

jcs
05-31-2006, 06:18 PM
I voted 'yes' and 'other.' What would be more aptly characterized as 'filth' shoud certainly be banned: hardcore, interracial, anal, whatever.
When it comes, however, to what is refered to as softcore pornography, I remain unsure. On the one hand, such imagery causes lust, and would be sought out by the lustful in the absence of hardcore porn, and should perhaps for that reason be banned; but on the other, there is a strong artistic aspect to erotica, and such 'porn' being big in art throughout art's history, I don't think it should be outlawed.
Playboy and such magazines should be outlawed, as should all porn websites (softcore and hardcore) and porn film studios. Painted, drawn, photographed, or filmed nude or erotic image should be created with tact and generally not mass produced, save perhaps with film, only because I like to own movies. Furthermore, a film should be banned which is entirely erotic in nature.

jcs
05-31-2006, 06:19 PM
We don't need a nanny state to protect people from their own weaknesses. Let nature take it's course.
We don't need state action to protect the people from the desire of many to bring in immigrants. Let nature take it's [sic] course.

OVERWATCH
05-31-2006, 06:20 PM
Should photos of underwear-clad models be expunged from catalogs and newspapers?

What about photos of sunbathers?

In my opinion, seeing a shapely woman who is clothed and legal in public is often just as, if not moreso, erotic than that same woman nude.

Kodos
05-31-2006, 06:21 PM
We don't need state action to protect the people from the desire of many to bring in immigrants. Let nature take it's [sic] course.

Two completely diffrent issues.

OVERWATCH
05-31-2006, 06:21 PM
We don't need state action to protect the people from the desire of many to bring in immigrants. Let nature take it's [sic] course.

Apples and oranges.

Helios Panoptes
05-31-2006, 06:22 PM
We don't need state action to protect the people from the desire of many to bring in immigrants. Let nature take it's [sic] course.

Stopping the illegal immigrants is nature taking its course. It is the protection of territory.

O'Zebedee
05-31-2006, 06:23 PM
JCS - lust may not be a very good thing, especially when it becomes an overriding factor in one's life, but you can't outlaw it, and you certainly can't take away all that contributes to it.

Well, I guess you can, if that's the kind of society that you want - be sure that it'll rebound against you at some point, though.

WFHermans
05-31-2006, 06:25 PM
I liked it when Singapore caned that punk( he commited real crimes like vandalizing cars)... it would have been cooler if they hanged him.
Hell yes I remember that! :222:

Maybe I remembered it all wrong, but as I remember it Clinton was just elected president then and he was protesting the "inhuman treatment" of the hooligan with the rest of the civilized world, but the Singapores (sp.?) still gave the brat a good flogging, :whip: and I totally agreed with it, in fact I thought they ought to have given him some extra floggings :whip: :whip: :whip: for being such an ass about it all.

Probably that was the first moment I realized I don't have to agree with everybody else and that everybody else can be wrong. From then on, there was no holding me back. Once you start thinking for yourself go go into all kinds of strange mental situations, including even the Phora. I ought to thank that brat for making me what I am today. :)

Sorry, I digressed. Back to boring porn.

Eddy
05-31-2006, 06:26 PM
JCS - lust may not be a very good thing, especially when it becomes an overriding factor in one's life, but you can't outlaw it, and you certainly can't take away all that contributes to it.

Well, I guess you can, if that's the kind of society that you want - be sure that it'll rebound against you at some point, though.

I think it's actually downright impossible to have a society without anything that contributes to lust. A look in the eyes from within a burkha can be lusty.

OVERWATCH
05-31-2006, 06:30 PM
I voted 'yes' and 'other.' What would be more aptly characterized as 'filth' shoud certainly be banned: hardcore, interracial, anal, whatever.
When it comes, however, to what is refered to as softcore pornography, I remain unsure. On the one hand, such imagery causes lust, and would be sought out by the lustful in the absence of hardcore porn, and should perhaps for that reason be banned; but on the other, there is a strong artistic aspect to erotica, and such 'porn' being big in art throughout art's history, I don't think it should be outlawed.
Playboy and such magazines should be outlawed, as should all porn websites (softcore and hardcore) and porn film studios. Painted, drawn, photographed, or filmed nude or erotic image should be created with tact and generally not mass produced, save perhaps with film, only because I like to own movies. Furthermore, a film should be banned which is entirely erotic in nature.

So what would be the JC Sturk litmus test for porn? Beaver shots?

jcs
05-31-2006, 06:32 PM
JCS - lust may not be a very good thing, especially when it becomes an overriding factor in one's life, but you can't outlaw it, and you certainly can't take away all that contributes to it.

Well, I guess you can, if that's the kind of society that you want - be sure that it'll rebound against you at some point, though.
Lust itself cannot be done away with, but the artificially contributing factors to the development of a lustful society can be removed. "Sex sells"--well, stop selling it! The world today, at least in the West, is oversexed, not only from pornography proper, but also from pornographic movies, television shows, and commercials. I think all of this ought to be banned. As for lustful feelings toward other people--those will never go away, but with a less artificially lustful society, this would likely be reduced a little.

I'm not talking about recreating the Victorian era, here.

O'Zebedee
05-31-2006, 06:32 PM
I think it's actually downright impossible to have a society without anything that contributes to lust. A look in the eyes from within a burkha can be lusty.

Yeah, I guess I should say that I have no problem with lust per se - it's one of those emotions that can make you feel very, very alive.

I'm one of those boring old "everything in moderation" types on most issues, though, especially since I've had personal experience on lust and love taking over just a wee bit too much.

jcs
05-31-2006, 06:36 PM
So what would be the JC Sturk litmus test for porn? Beaver shots?
When one looks at nude photography, drawing, and painting, one finds that the artist poses the subject in a way which is aesthetically appealing, generally to show off curves and such. The presence or lack of a 'beaver shot' doesn't really matter, because it remains tasteful. I suppose the test would simply be whether or not it is aesthetically artistically appealing; if it isn't and is highly suggestive or such, it's porn.

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 06:44 PM
I suppose the test would simply be whether or not it is aesthetically artistically appealing; if it isn't and is highly suggestive or such, it's porn.
I agree.

This is healthy nude photography : http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/6421/menschsonne1108057mk.th.jpg (http://img438.imageshack.us/my.php?image=menschsonne1108057mk.jpg) , not pornography.

O'Zebedee
05-31-2006, 06:44 PM
Banning porno won't do anything - it'll just push it underground.

And, as with all victimless offences, it'll potentially fill jails with people who've done nothing more then look at dirty pictures.

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 06:46 PM
Banning porno won't do anything - it'll just push it underground.
Pushing it underground is doing something. We can't eradicate drugs or child porn either but it doesn't mean we should tolerate them. A society that is healthy and vigorous fights vice instead of lazily accepting it.
And, as with all victimless offences, it'll potentially fill jails with people who've done nothing more then look at dirty pictures.
Who mentioned jail? Just fine and/or cane them. We already jail people for possessing child porn, why not interracial? It would end that unhealthy craze and force the hardcore of it underground with the other freaks, the Pedos, where they belong. :)

Porn is a blatant attack on society, read this thread for more info : http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7252

Nathan Abrams (Jew) wrote,

According to [Luke] Ford, Jewish X-rated actors often brag about their 'joy in being anarchic, sexual gadflies to the puritanical beast'. Jewish involvement in porn, by this argument, is the result of an atavistic hatred of Christian authority: they are trying to weaken the dominant culture in America by moral subversion ...

OVERWATCH
05-31-2006, 06:58 PM
When one looks at nude photography, drawing, and painting, one finds that the artist poses the subject in a way which is aesthetically appealing, generally to show off curves and such. The presence or lack of a 'beaver shot' doesn't really matter, because it remains tasteful. I suppose the test would simply be whether or not it is aesthetically artistically appealing; if it isn't and is highly suggestive or such, it's porn.

What is 'aesthetic' or 'tasteful' is subjective.

On the other hand, what is deemed 'offensive by community standards' is also subjective; which is the way porno laws are currently determined.

However, it is more practical to operate using 'blacklists' rather than 'whitelists', because there is a whole lot of things which are neither aesthetic nor artistic, and are not porn either.

Kodos
05-31-2006, 07:02 PM
Pushing it underground is doing something. We can't eradicate drugs either but it doesn't mean we should tolerate them. A society that is healthy and vigorous fights vice instead of lazily accepting it.

19th century America did almost nothing to fight vice, prostitution and drugs were very common. Few would disagree it was a much healthier society.

jcs
05-31-2006, 07:04 PM
What is 'aesthetic' or 'tasteful' is subjective.
This is basically false. While there may not be a sharp line dividing the aesthetic and unaesthetic, it can be concluded that a given work is primarily aesthetic, while another is primarily pornographic. Aesthetics deals with, for example, the use of shape and line in an image. One can easily tell if the positioning of a body in an image was done for aesthetic purposes, or if the camera was simply stuck between someone's legs.

WFHermans
05-31-2006, 07:10 PM
A weaseling jew will be able to convince a court that his degenerate porn is "art", while the Aryan will go to jail because the jewish prosecutor will claim his Arno Breker statue is "porn".

Starr
05-31-2006, 07:13 PM
Lets ban everything I don't like personally :( .


In a way, you are right. I personally don't like it and that does effect my opinion. This is true with many people about many different possible things. How many people do you suppose voted "no" because they like to look at it? I also do believe the effects it has on society are completely harmful with nothing positive to outweigh this.

OVERWATCH
05-31-2006, 07:15 PM
This is basically false. While there may not be a sharp line dividing the aesthetic and unaesthetic, it can be concluded that a given work is primarily aesthetic, while another is primarily pornographic. Aesthetics deals with, for example, the use of shape and line in an image. One can easily tell if the positioning of a body in an image was done for aesthetic purposes, or if the camera was simply stuck between someone's legs.

I think you'll find that aesthetics and taste vary from culture to culture and community to community.

Which brings us back to the issue of community standards...

Therefore my stance is that: what is determined to be illegal pronography should be determined by those community standards.

Like I brought up before, the varying, subjective definitions of porn and what ought to be banned are imo more interesting than the question of whether or not *it*(whatever that is) ought to be banned.

Lionheart
05-31-2006, 07:17 PM
What do you guys think about this: JCD: Outside these walls, there are several hundred reporters that wanted to talk to you, and you asked me to come because you had something you wanted to say. You feel that hardcore pornography, and the door to it, softcore pornography, is doing untold damage to other people and causing other women to be abused and killed the way you did.

Ted: I’m no social scientist, and I don’t pretend to believe what John Q. Citizen thinks about this, but I’ve lived in prison for a long time now, and I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence. Without exception, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography - deeply consumed by the addiction. The F.B.I.’s own study on serial homicide shows that the most common interest among serial killers is pornographers. It’s true.

http://www.pureintimacy.org/gr/intimacy/understanding/a0000082.cfm

Kodos
05-31-2006, 07:29 PM
Guy in prison trying to score points with the christian right so he can get out...

Starr
05-31-2006, 07:34 PM
Guy in prison trying to score points with the christian right so he can get out...


Like Ted Bundy would have believed he had a chance in hell of being let out of prison. A stay of execution, maybe.

Eddy
05-31-2006, 08:03 PM
I'm one of those boring old "everything in moderation" types on most issues, though, especially since I've had personal experience on lust and love taking over just a wee bit too much.

Zeb driven CRAZY by lust! :whip:

Kodos
05-31-2006, 08:06 PM
Like Ted Bundy would have believed he had a chance in hell of being let out of prison.

You don't really get how sociopaths think...

Eddy
05-31-2006, 08:12 PM
Attempt to shift blame, like "booze made me dun it", or "Post-partum depression made me dun it."

Starr
05-31-2006, 08:16 PM
You don't really get how sociopaths think...


He would have to have been really stupid to believe he had a shot of being let out of prison after killing all of those people including a child. this was his last interview, if he had any selfish motivations it was a stay of execution. Bundy also dabbled a bit in psychology, he could have been psychoanalyzing himself and his actions.

I am not saying pornography explains his actions. From everything I read he was odd before the age he said he starting getting into it.

Kodos
05-31-2006, 08:19 PM
He would have to have been really stupid to believe he had a shot of being let out of prison after killing all of those people including a child.

He figures hes got a shot of talking his way out of anything. THAT IS THE WAY ALL SOCIOPATHS THINK STARR...

Starr
05-31-2006, 08:23 PM
How do you know how all psychopaths think?

Eddy
05-31-2006, 08:33 PM
What does it matter what Ted Bundy thinks? So social policy should be driven by the words of Ted Bundy now?

Kodos
05-31-2006, 08:39 PM
What does it matter what Ted Bundy thinks? So social policy should be driven by the words of Ted Bundy now?

Maybe he should be put in charge of the Middle East :rofl: .

Helios Panoptes
05-31-2006, 08:39 PM
Like Ted Bundy would have believed he had a chance in hell of being let out of prison. A stay of execution, maybe.

Correct, a stay of execution. He tried to offer help with cases, too, for this purpose.

What do you guys think about this:

I think that it is far from a sound statistical analysis, yet it is probably quite true. However, I remain skeptical that pornography caused their deviance.

In a way, you are right. I personally don't like it and that does effect my opinion.

That is why it is fortunate that you are without power. Policy should be determined by what is best, not what your mere opinion is.

This is true with many people about many different possible things. How many people do you suppose voted "no" because they like to look at it?

I didn't vote because I don't really care, but it would undoubtedly require substantial resources to enforce and relatively speaking, it is not a great concern of mine. I am also not swayed by Tamer's argument based on chemical states because all pleasure is connected to electro-chemical activity, so to point out chemical antecedents and/or sequelae is to state the obvious. Any pleasurable behavior can be addictive, yet it is stupid to argue in favor of outlawing all such behavior. Furthermore, despite the comparison to heroin, it must be acknowledged that pornography addiction is without the physical withdrawl symptoms with which heroin addiction is associated. Moreover, I am unconvinced that it is a danger to otherwise healthy people.

I'll stop there...

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 08:53 PM
all pleasure is connected to electro-chemical activity
Not on the same level, not even close.
it must be acknowledged that pornography addiction is without the physical withdrawl symptoms for which heroin addiction is famous.


Help! I think I may be addicted to internet porn. Any suggestions? (http://www.reuniting.info/resources/questions_and_answers)

So the porn industry has "gotcha!" This is nothing to feel guilty about. Many millions of dollars (or other currencies) were spent just to trap you in this nasty cycle, which evolution thoughtfully made possible. What you really have is a physical addiction to the rush of neurochemicals that comes with watching porn. Those images you are hooked on are like shots of alcohol, and you should think of them that way.

This addiction can escalate to the point where you suffer severe withdrawal if you don't get your "fix." People going through withdrawal from porn report sleeplessness, anxiety, shaking, irritability, and so forth.

Just like stopping smoking or getting off of alcohol, you must go through this withdrawal to put the addiction behind you for good. This is very tough to do on your own, so you may want to consider a 12-step program, or other support. Here are some websites:

Sexual Compulsives Anonymous (http://www.sca-recovery.org/)
Sexual Addicts Anonymous (http://www.sexaa.org/)
Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous (http://www.slaafws.org/)
Sexaholics Anonymous (http://www.sa.org/)
For those opposed to 12-step programs, there are also:
Rational Recovery (http://www.rational.org/) and the SASH (http://www.ncsac.org/addicts/about_main.aspx).

Eddy
05-31-2006, 08:58 PM
Smells like serious bovine manure, IMO. Has anyone here gone through these alleged porn withdrawals?

Helios Panoptes
05-31-2006, 09:16 PM
Not on the same level, not even close.

Okay, you posted a study that mentioned activity in the VTA, which is laden with dopamine neurons. This area is associated with pleasure, in general, not only orgasm or drug use. Even your study says "wide variety." The finding that orgasm is connected to such activity is a surprise to no one.

Researchers dissecting the role of the neurotransmitter dopamine in the brain are finding that rather than signaling pleasure as previously thought, it may act to highlight significant stimuli. New data indicate that dopamine is released within the brain not only in response to events the organism finds rewarding, but also in response to those that predict rewards, and to stimuli that are simply startling. By underscoring such events, say these researchers, the dopamine signal helps the animal learn to recognize them--and in some cases, to repeat them.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/278/5335/35

Is it your opinion that all things dopaminergic need to be outlawed?

Fade the Butcher
05-31-2006, 09:16 PM
The Jewspeak smilie is awesome. :p

Fade the Butcher
05-31-2006, 09:18 PM
I voted yes. Personally, I don't really care about the issue, but I would be delighted to see the reaction of Eddy and Brandon Orr.

Starr
05-31-2006, 09:22 PM
That is why it is fortunate that you are without power. Policy should be determined by what is best, not what your mere opinion is.

So when someone makes a determination of "what is best" is not going to be at all effected by their own "mere opinion"

Porn has many negative influences on society what does it have to offer that is positive?

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 09:25 PM
Is it your opinion that all things dopaminergic need to be outlawed?
No.

However those that are unhealthy (eg homosexuality, cigarettes, deviant pr0n) should be restricted to some extent because they harm the individual and this becomes the collective burden of society.

Kodos
05-31-2006, 09:26 PM
So when someone makes a determination of "what is best" is not going to be at all effected by their own "mere opinion"

Porn has many negative influences on society what does it have to offer that is positive?

It keeps frustrated nerds like me from killing chicks like you :222: .

Eddy
05-31-2006, 09:26 PM
I voted yes. Personally, I don't really care about the issue, but I would be delighted to see the reaction of Eddy and Brandon Orr.

Cuz, like, internet forum polls determine public policy in North America. We're hiding our hard drives from chubbies in jackboots at this moment!

Helios Panoptes
05-31-2006, 09:27 PM
So when someone makes a determination of "what is best" is not going to be at all effected by their own "mere opinion"

It is best to be effected minimally. Society is not your plaything to be bent to your whim. If you have no conception of what is best for society itself then you've no business being a statesman.

Porn has many negative influences on society what does it have to offer that is positive?

That is not the point. Resources, being limited, must be allocated in such a way so as to maximize their benefits.

Kodos
05-31-2006, 09:28 PM
That is not the point. Resources, being limited, must be allocated in such a way so as to maximize their benefits.

Yeah and like we really need another category of crime that turns productive citizens into criminals...

Starr
05-31-2006, 09:33 PM
If you have no conception of what is best for society itself then you've no business being a statesman.

This is true, of course, but someone's concept on what is best for society is going to be determined by what they personally believe is good or bad, right or wrong,etc. to some extent, is it not?

Yeah and like we really need another category of crime that turns productive citizens into criminals...

Is someone like Al Goldstein a productive member of society or is he a piece of garbage promoting all kinds of filth? Would his "removal"(I am not referring to killing him) have a negative impact on society as a whole?

Eddy
05-31-2006, 09:36 PM
No.

However those that are unhealthy (eg homosexuality, cigarettes, deviant pr0n) should be restricted to some extent because they harm the individual and this becomes the collective burden of society.

How about sugar, fat, and alcohol? I'm willing to bet that sugar, fat, and alcohol harms more individuals and causes more burdens than homosexual and deviant pr0n put together.

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 09:39 PM
How about sugar, fat, and alcohol? I'm willing to bet that sugar, fat, and alcohol harms more individuals and causes more burdens than homosexual and deviant pr0n put together.
Not when the AIDs, molestation rates, and anti-cultural activities of faggots are taken into account.

I would also say high fructose corn syrup is a major problem, not so much regular sugar.

Billy Score
05-31-2006, 09:42 PM
Of course it should be banned. It is detrimental to society and helps turn people into sloths who spend more time wanking than thinking. Just look at the amount of money porn makes.

I also think that this is another reason why "the people" cannot be trusted to do anything right. When one of the richest industries revolves around perverse publications and "toys", it is "the people" who are buying it and keeping it afloat.

sugartits
05-31-2006, 09:44 PM
I don't think it should be outlawed, but it should perhaps be more regulated. Less people should be making big money off of it. There is a ridiculous amount of pornography catering to every fleeting fantasy, and behind it very greedy people. But that problem doesn't apply only to pornography, it is an issue of our money driven society. Too many 'sweet cherry pies XXX" products around, it is a waste of space and materials. :p (@Eddy -good for you for pirating! :D)

I also think that a lot of it is degrading to women, though that is not necessarily a reason to call for porn's culling, not all porn is like that, but the average kind seems to be. Just a personal judgement against viewing women as sexual receptacles or barbie dolls. There are also women who enjoy porn.

Lionheart
05-31-2006, 09:51 PM
Porn is bad for society because it is potentially-addictive, immoral filth that has no positive characteristics--period. Even if outlawing it sounds unrealistic it, it is far better than tolerating its presence just because it may be hard to get rid of. Furthermore, porn has become too mainstream, and at the very least, outlawing it would help push it back into the realm of taboo where it belongs.

Eddy
05-31-2006, 09:59 PM
Well, my porn is only degrading to guys, so it's not a problem for women. :)

Kodos
05-31-2006, 10:07 PM
I also think that a lot of it is degrading to women

Who cares.

Lionheart
05-31-2006, 10:32 PM
I also think that a lot of it is degrading to women

Who cares.
Presumably, people who want to live in a healthy society where men and women respect each other despite their differences. If men see women as mere sexual objects, then there are going to be problems.

Eddy
05-31-2006, 10:37 PM
Presumably, people who want to live in a healthy society where men and women respect each other despite their differences. If men see women as mere sexual objects, then there are going to be problems.

It's possible to see some women as sexual objects and respect other women.

Kodos
05-31-2006, 10:40 PM
If men see women as mere sexual objects, then there are going to be problems.

They're also for cooking cleaning and raising children. Its the idea that they should be competing in the workforce that causes problems.

Kodos
05-31-2006, 10:41 PM
It's possible to see some women as sexual objects and respect other women.

It is but its rare :D.

Daniel Shays
05-31-2006, 10:43 PM
@Weikel

Do you support tougher rules against interracial porn ie categorizing it with kiddie porn (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002256----000-.html)?

If not, why not?

Kodos
05-31-2006, 10:45 PM
@Weikel

Do you support tougher rules against interracial porn ie categorizing it with kiddie porn?

Not as long as the intermarriage rate stays low, and I like asian girls( a LOT of white guys do)...

Micaelis
05-31-2006, 10:48 PM
The gaze is naturally objectifying. And sexually appealing bodies will attract sexually hungry libidos. There can be no reverse, for the energy is driven of sex. This is biologically 'normal'. Scopophilia is also normal and can be observed most prominently in younger children.

sugartits
05-31-2006, 10:55 PM
If men see women as mere sexual objects, then there are going to be problems.

They're also for cooking cleaning and raising children. Its the idea that they should be competing in the workforce that causes problems.

Aww, poor thing, you must be feeling terribly demasculated :whip:

Dienekes
05-31-2006, 11:03 PM
Porn is bad for society because it is potentially-addictive, immoral filth that has no positive characteristics--period. Even if outlawing it sounds unrealistic it, it is far better than tolerating its presence just because it may be hard to get rid of. Furthermore, porn has become too mainstream, and at the very least, outlawing it would help push it back into the realm of taboo where it belongs.


I don't think there are many who would argue that porn is a good thing. The issue is that it is not the job of the government to legislate the morality of its citizens. The pornography industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. As you said in your post, it is very mainstream. Clearly there would not be a majority opinion in favor of banning it.

There are lots of things that are not healthy for a society. Look at the tens of thousands of people who die every year from drunk driving. Clearly we would be better off if no one drank. Crime, assault, domestic violence; all these would probably go down dramatically if everyone stopped drinking. But we've been down that road, and society has decided that drinking is a vice that we are willing to tolerate. Pornography is the same.

If a government passes a ban on something that the majority of its citizens are willfully participating in, the message is that government knows better than the citizens what is best. They are no longer reflecting the will of the people. If you could get a national referendum with a clear majority in favor of a ban, I would be all for it. But that isn't going to happen.

Anarch
06-01-2006, 01:33 AM
He's a kid ffs.

A kid? And how old is he? A year younger than me, last I checked. People stop being kids at 16. There's a big fat grey area between 16 and 18 in which most people should start getting laid, and I hereby declare *puts on fake moustasche, top had and cane* that porn is the reason our young chap Sinclair here is not getting laid. Ought we, the gallery, permit the very stuff that's encouraging a member of our young generation to become a biological faliure? Here, here! :rofl:

Helios Panoptes
06-01-2006, 02:02 AM
Aww, poor thing, you must be feeling terribly demasculated :whip:


He is right.

limit
06-01-2006, 02:08 AM
It keeps frustrated nerds like me from killing chicks like you :222: .

Full cridit to you know who, Weikel.

Przemysław
06-01-2006, 02:30 AM
Should pornography be outlawed?

No-but the mass commercialism of sex and suggestive themes should.

OVERWATCH
06-01-2006, 03:30 AM
Interracial and child pron are fundamentally different. The former is between consenting adults; the latter requires a minor to be exploited for the product to be created. Since minors cannot be said to possess the ability to reason and make their own decisions, there is also lack of consent.

Which brings us to this issue:

"The government has no business with what's on my hard drive"

If we accept the logical argument that consumption and dissemination of child pronography incentivises the exploitation of children to meet the demand, then it's reasonable that government should ban the possession (and distribution) of child pronography, does it not?

Anarch
06-01-2006, 04:15 AM
Since minors cannot be said to possess the ability to reason and make their own decisions, there is also lack of consent.
I'm all for saying kids 13 and under generally don't know what they're doing if they get into sex, but seriously, this is a pretty poor argument. 'Cannot be said to possess the ability to reason and make their own decisions?' - so, what? Do we say 'no, you're not allowed to choose what to eat at an all you can eat resturaunt, you don't have the ability to make your own decisions?' Why in hell do we teach kids math if they 'can't reason'? Do you know how stupid this argument is? :dance2:

OVERWATCH
06-01-2006, 04:28 AM
I'm all for saying kids 13 and under generally don't know what they're doing if they get into sex, but seriously, this is a pretty poor argument. 'Cannot be said to possess the ability to reason and make their own decisions?' - so, what? Do we say 'no, you're not allowed to choose what to eat at an all you can eat resturaunt, you don't have the ability to make your own decisions?' Why in hell do we teach kids math if they 'can't reason'? Do you know how stupid this argument is? :dance2:

O plz :rolleyes: :p

Adolescents don't have enough worldly experience to make wise decisions, generally speaking, is what I meant. Which includes whether or not to pose for nude photos (or to have sex).

Anarch
06-01-2006, 04:34 AM
O plz :rolleyes: :p

Adolescents don't have enough worldly experience to make wise decisions, generally speaking, is what I meant. Which includes whether or not to pose for nude photos (or to have sex).
Fair enough. At least that's clarified.

Jake Featherston
06-01-2006, 07:09 AM
No.

I can respect, and in some ways I do relate, to the desire to ban pornography, but let me just say that some of the young types may talk big now, but just wait until you've been ensconced within the confines of monogamy for a few years. I love my wife, yes, and I find her body very sexually appealing, but after the first 500 times, the excitement does wear off a bit. And we passed tthe 500th time probably about a year after our first date. Its now been six years (4.5 of them in a state of marriage). If I couldn't summon up the pale imitation of promiscuity that is jacking off to porn, I'd probably be engaged in some real promiscuity.

I may sound flip here, but I'm not: Men need adventure, and life doesn't offer many chances for it. Sexual promiscuity is one of the few exciting things left for us. And if you're married, you can't even have that. But I need porn for the same reason I need novels & movies of a more traditional nature i.e., because I can't find enough time, energy, and money to engage in more authentic forms of adventurism to the extent I require in order to avoid becoming depressed with the reality of my life. Hell, if I'm not at work or asleep, I'm usually getting ready for one or the other, or soon will be. Those of you who can't relate to that are fortunate, but probably only for a few more years....

Nyx
06-01-2006, 07:38 AM
I can respect, and in some ways I do relate, to the desire to ban pornography, but let me just say that some of the young types may talk big now, but just wait until you've been ensconced within the confines of monogamy for a few years. I love my wife, yes, and I find her body very sexually appealing, but after the first 500 times, the excitement does wear off a bit. And we passed tthe 500th time probably about a year after our first date. Its now been six years (4.5 of them in a state of marriage). If I couldn't summon up the pale imitation of promiscuity that is jacking off to porn, I'd probably be engaged in some real promiscuity.This is your problem. Marriage is a divine institution. The sexual element should be almost wholly eliminated. The woman should be pure in thought, in mind, in heart, and in body. If you only sexed your wife once a year, you would not have this problem.

Jimbo Gomez
06-01-2006, 08:09 AM
This is your problem. Marriage is a divine institution. The sexual element should be almost wholly eliminated. The woman should be pure in thought, in mind, in heart, and in body. If you only sexed your wife once a year, you would not have this problem.


That must be the quote of the year. :D

Jake Featherston
06-01-2006, 08:30 AM
Marriage is a divine institution. The sexual element should be almost wholly eliminated. The woman should be pure in thought, in mind, in heart, and in body. If you only sexed your wife once a year, you would not have this problem.

You're damn right I wouldn't; she'd divorce me.

Nyx
06-01-2006, 08:34 AM
Divorce is too easy nowadays.

Hugh Jorgen
06-01-2006, 08:40 AM
British men prefer porn to sex

Foreplay? Is that like a page refresh?
By John Oates

Source (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/30/brits_top_muck_league/)

Published Tuesday 30th May 2006

For those who missed it at the weekend - Britain is the world's fastest growing market for internet pornography. You should all be very ashamed.

British women are the fastest growing group of users with a 30 per cent increase on last year - up to 1.4m from just over one million last year. One in four men aged between 25 and 49 has visited an adult site in the last month - about 2.5m people.

But not everyone is impressed.

Agencies like Relate report that 40 per cent of couples asking for relationship help cite internet pornography as a contributory factor to their problems.

Phillip Hodson, of the British Association for Counselling and Pyschotherapy, told the Independent it was making "sex-lazy men even sex-lazier". He said: "It used to be said that men neglected foreplay, but now they are neglecting sex."®

Nyx
06-01-2006, 08:43 AM
The Jew has no sense of decency whatsoever.

Jimbo Gomez
06-01-2006, 09:11 AM
No.

I can respect, and in some ways I do relate, to the desire to ban pornography, but let me just say that some of the young types may talk big now, but just wait until you've been ensconced within the confines of monogamy for a few years. I love my wife, yes, and I find her body very sexually appealing, but after the first 500 times, the excitement does wear off a bit. And we passed tthe 500th time probably about a year after our first date. Its now been six years (4.5 of them in a state of marriage). If I couldn't summon up the pale imitation of promiscuity that is jacking off to porn, I'd probably be engaged in some real promiscuity.

I may sound flip here, but I'm not: Men need adventure, and life doesn't offer many chances for it. Sexual promiscuity is one of the few exciting things left for us. And if you're married, you can't even have that. But I need porn for the same reason I need novels & movies of a more traditional nature i.e., because I can't find enough time, energy, and money to engage in more authentic forms of adventurism to the extent I require in order to avoid becoming depressed with the reality of my life. Hell, if I'm not at work or asleep, I'm usually getting ready for one or the other, or soon will be. Those of you who can't relate to that are fortunate, but probably only for a few more years....


What was her username again? She just has to reply to this one. 'Oh, I'm not attractive anymore now eh...' :D

Would be most entertaining for everyone except poor old Kevin himself. :222:

limit
06-01-2006, 09:19 AM
British women are the fastest growing group of users with a 30 per cent increase on last year - up to 1.4m from just over one million last year. One in four men aged between 25 and 49 has visited an adult site in the last month - about 2.5m people.

"Wow, the black guys all have big ones. I think I might try a black guy"

ROFL

Jake Featherston
06-01-2006, 09:29 AM
Divorce is too easy nowadays.

I agree, but its still what would happen to me. Besides, she's not the only one who wants it more than once per year....

The Retard
06-01-2006, 09:33 AM
I agree, but its still what would happen to me. Besides, she's not the only one who wants it more than once per year....

You allowed another person in your bed? :confused:

Jake Featherston
06-01-2006, 09:42 AM
You allowed another person in your bed? :confused:

I was referring to myself.

Dyne
06-01-2006, 10:38 AM
No. I enjoy it.

limit
06-01-2006, 11:31 AM
No. I enjoy it.

You enjoy degrading women?

Eddy
06-01-2006, 12:18 PM
O plz :rolleyes: :p

Adolescents don't have enough worldly experience to make wise decisions, generally speaking, is what I meant. Which includes whether or not to pose for nude photos (or to have sex).

There are plenty adolescents who have more wordly experience than some pampered adults. Believing that adolescents are like children is a product of raising the ages of consent and treating them like children by keeping them in high school during ages where they'd be getting married and finding work in other cultures and time periods.

Ahmadinebobina
06-01-2006, 01:17 PM
Porn is boring. Everything is rather boring though, at this point, hence the proliferation of madder and madder porn, which will go on and on and on until no stone has been left unturned.
I really find the talk of caning people who watch porn in the 'new state' absolutely wonderful, btw, it seems like a great plot for some stupid porn film. Perhaps in the new state i will go underground and direct this.

I vote Yes.

sugartits
06-01-2006, 04:09 PM
He is right.

Evidence, plz.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 04:34 PM
This thread is full of guys making up absurd and ridiculous reasons to ban porn, with nonsense about "porn withdrawals" and the everpresent ZOG. At least Starr is putting forth the actual honest reason why she wants to ban porn - cuz she doesn't like it. This doesn't demonstrate why women shouldn't vote as much as it demonstrates why people shouldn't vote. I don't want some guy who is gullible enough to swallow claims about "dangerous porn addiction" without skepticism voting on social policy any more than I want people skipping past the "spouting bovine manure to justify reasons" stage and simply voting to ban things just cuz they don't like it.

Porn is legal and we aren't having any national crisis about it. We aren't funding millions who are hopelessly crippled from "porn addictions." People aren't busting in car windows and mugging old ladies to fund their subscriptions. Hordes of women aren't sitting around hopelessly single because men are only viewing them as "sex objects." Men are still falling in love, getting married and wanting emotional attention, families, and companionship. Interracial porn is not causing miscegenation, interracial interaction is. Whether that is a problem completely depends on your little cardboard tube of reality.

limit
06-01-2006, 04:39 PM
Interracial porn is not causing miscegenation, interracial interaction is.

What'd happen if we started a riot, where their clothes are torn off them, with cameras present :D

:nopity:

*Talks with hand gestures whilst walking past samoan, aboriginal, and maori males with blondes*

Eddy
06-01-2006, 04:42 PM
Dammit Noddy. :bbbat:

limit
06-01-2006, 05:19 PM
Dammit Noddy. :bbbat:

It seems to be some sort of secreted resin.

Yeah, but secreted from what?

@Anticit2.0-PM box full

Draugen
06-01-2006, 07:56 PM
Porn is legal and we aren't having any national crisis about it. We aren't funding millions who are hopelessly crippled from "porn addictions." People aren't busting in car windows and mugging old ladies to fund their subscriptions. Hordes of women aren't sitting around hopelessly single because men are only viewing them as "sex objects." Men are still falling in love, getting married and wanting emotional attention, families, and companionship. Interracial porn is not causing miscegenation, interracial interaction is. Whether that is a problem completely depends on your little cardboard tube of reality.

I agree with this. Pornography isn't going to destroy our civilization and corrupt whole generations by itself. I think that when we look at the huge annual profits from the industry, we are looking more at symptoms than causes. From what I've seen, porn is an attraction for specific types of audiences -- for it to make its leap into the general public, that public would have to incur a mutation into something similar to those types. It is possible for this to happen over time, of course, but then we are looking at a much bigger picture. Blaming porn for 'x' and 'y' is akin to blaming rap music for juvenile violence.

That said, I don't see pornography in a much different light than MMORPGs, celebrity gossip and football hysteria. They're just ways of avoiding reality in the way that they reduce the totality of experience to an exercise of passive and innocuous self-gratification. Pornography stands out for being morally repulsive and possessing a manifest and undeniable aura of decadence, which doesn't present itself in other less obvious degrading activities, but that shouldn't blind us to the cultural pattern in which it is inserted. And what that pattern really means, in a non-moral sense, is that our populations are descending in quality. It is simple: would you trust a porn-addict to do anything useful or grandiose?

I support banning public pornography, and instituting rigid moral regulations on mass media and entertainment production. Erotica is fine, for its artistic merit, but should be subject to regulation by a state approved commission. The same stands for animation. Milo Manara kind of stuff can be rather enjoyable; Hentai, however, is disgusting.

Starr
06-01-2006, 08:12 PM
Porn withdrawals and addictions? I don't know if I am quite willing to buy into all of that. but it has helped in creating an environment where women are seen as nothing more than a pussy and men are just a bunch of constantly horny dogs. It is just one of the weapons that have helped to destroy the "old fashioned" idea of the meaningful long term relationship or marriage, that they have been chipping away at for a long time now.

Daniel Shays
06-01-2006, 08:17 PM
Interracial porn is not causing miscegenation, interracial interaction is.
With that logic we could say child pornography doesn't cause molestation. :rofl: Then it should be legal, right, Eddy?

Pornography is SEXUAL PROPAGANDA.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 08:18 PM
Do we live in the same world? In the world I'm living in, I see guys all over the place getting into long-term relationships, wanting girlfriends and wives, having families and caring for them, angsting over breakups and divorces that WOMEN have initiated, having emotional needs, etc. But I'll grant that some women consistently choose to go for the type of guys who are only after sex and then blame "men" or "society" (porn) if that turns out sour. But these kinds of guys have always been around.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 08:19 PM
With that logic we could say child pornography doesn't cause molestation. :rofl: Then it should be legal, right?

Pornography is SEXUAL PROPAGANDA.

Will you feel tempted to molest children after seeing child pornography?

Lionheart
06-01-2006, 08:21 PM
Porn is legal and we aren't having any national crisis about it. We aren't funding millions who are hopelessly crippled from "porn addictions." People aren't busting in car windows and mugging old ladies to fund their subscriptions. Hordes of women aren't sitting around hopelessly single because men are only viewing them as "sex objects." Men are still falling in love, getting married and wanting emotional attention, families, and companionship. Interracial porn is not causing miscegenation, interracial interaction is. Whether that is a problem completely depends on your little cardboard tube of reality.

So, according to your logic, it would be stupid to terminate cancer cells if they're not yet actually killing the body. We should just wait until it gets out of control, and then start thinking of solutions. Moreover, though porn may not cause the grossly exaggerated social ills you so condescendingly spout, porn does have a negative impact on society; and as porn becomes viler with time, its effects will stand out more glaringly so.

Daniel Shays
06-01-2006, 08:21 PM
Will you feel tempted to molest children after seeing child pornography?
No.

I repeat my question:

Should it be legal?

WFHermans
06-01-2006, 08:22 PM
Drawn pornography depicting children is indeed legal.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 08:25 PM
No.

Ok, so you think that child pornography CAUSES child molestation and that interracial pornography CAUSES miscegenation, but you don't feel urges to molest children or dip your banana into a chocolate sundae after viewing pornographic depictions of said things.

Should it be legal?

This depends on what you mean by "child pornography."

Eddy
06-01-2006, 08:32 PM
So, according to your logic, it would be stupid to terminate cancer cells if they're not yet actually killing the body. We should just wait until it gets out of control, and then start thinking of solutions. Moreover, though porn may not cause the grossly exaggerated social ills you so condescendingly spout, porn does have a negative impact on society; and as porn becomes viler with time, its effects will stand out more glaringly so.

What are these negative effects? It has not removed men's interests in relationships. Women are even less forced to be reduced to "mere sex objects" now that we can make a living independent of a breadwinner's support. It has not caused rape waves like feminists and conservatives assert. Prove that mainstream porn is becoming viler with time.

Daniel Shays
06-01-2006, 08:34 PM
Ok, so you think that child pornography CAUSES child molestation and that interracial pornography CAUSES miscegenation,
I never said it was the cause, it probably influences some to start but it definitely exacerbates the degeneracy.
but you don't feel urges to molest children
Actually, I have never viewed child pornography. If someone seeks that out they are F*ed up to begin with.
This depends on what you mean by "child pornography."
:rolleyes:

Eddy
06-01-2006, 08:37 PM
... it definitely exacerbates the degeneracy.

WTF do you mean by this? Do you even know?

Actually, I have never viewed child pornography. If someone seeks that out they are F*ed up to begin with.

And you think that people who seek out interracial pornography aren't already interested in that kind of thing?

:rolleyes:

Really, c'mon tell me what you mean by child pornography. 16 year old titties? Badly scribbled Shota drawings? Child models? What?

OVERWATCH
06-01-2006, 08:38 PM
There are plenty adolescents who have more wordly experience than some pampered adults. Believing that adolescents are like children is a product of raising the ages of consent and treating them like children by keeping them in high school during ages where they'd be getting married and finding work in other cultures and time periods.

Those worldly and wise adolescents are the exception to the rule.

Do you think that adolescent minors should be allowed to be pornographic models, actors and actresses?

I say 'no'. What is your opinion?

Starr
06-01-2006, 08:41 PM
Anyone who would look at child porn obviously already has serious pedophilia tendencies, but allow them to look at it , playing on their sick fetishes and bringing them to the surface even more, and they may take that next step and turn fantasy into reality.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 08:42 PM
Those worldly and wise adolescents are the exception to the rule.

The rule is only caused by the culture and the way many of us raise children nowadays, which is to remove their responsibilities and prolong their childhood.

Do you think that adolescent minors should be allowed to be pornographic models, actors and actresses?

I say 'no'. What is your opinion?

Yes. The 18 cutoff is mostly an American creation. I'd be comfortable reducing the age of consent, age of legal drinking, and age to be responsible for one's self to 16.

OVERWATCH
06-01-2006, 08:43 PM
The rule is only caused by the culture and the way many of us raise children nowadays, which is to remove their responsibilities and prolong their childhood.



Yes. The 18 cutoff is mostly an American creation. I'd be comfortable reducing the age of consent, age of legal drinking, and age to be responsible for one's self to 16.

Why 16?

Why not 14?

13?

Daniel Shays
06-01-2006, 08:46 PM
And you think that people who seek out interracial pornography aren't already interested in that kind of thing?
It's different when the media and government attempt to normalize miscegenation. Though I agree, the people that seek it out are weird to begin with and should either be rehabilitated or forced underground and feel shame for their anti-social fantasies.

16 year old titties? Badly scribbled Shota drawings? Child models?
Anything depicting children (<18) nude/ engaged in sex acts.

Exceptions for child nudity:

High art paintings (angels, etc)
Anatomy books

playing on their sick fetishes and bringing them to the surface even more, and they may take that next step and turn fantasy into reality.
Exactly.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 08:47 PM
Why not 14?

13?

If the populace is comfortable with that, then I wouldn't object to that either. In some cultures, children move into adulthood more quickly. There are not strict moral cutoff ages, it's a cultural thing.

If the age of consent were raised to 21, the next generations would think it's "scandalous" that 18 year olds can choose to have sex and take off their clothes for money. Some people would even hint that a 30 year old who has sex with an 18 year old is a "child molesting pervert."

Eddy
06-01-2006, 08:49 PM
It's different when the media and government attempt to normalize miscegenation. Though I agree, the people that seek it out are weird to begin with and should either be rehabilitated or forced underground and feel shame for their anti-social fantasies.

Miscegenation has always been natural.

Anything depicting children (<18) nude/ engaged in sex acts.

Then, no. I'll have to disagree. Adolescents are not children and no victims are involved when it's a fictional depiction (such as a drawing of someone who doesn't even exist).

Daniel Shays
06-01-2006, 08:49 PM
If the populace is comfortable with that, then I wouldn't object to that either.
What if the populace was comfortable with deporting non-Whites from Canada??
In some cultures, children move into adulthood more quickly.
Then move. :)
Miscegenation has always been natural.
So has murder.

Then, no. I'll have to disagree. Adolescents are not children and no victims are involved when it's a fictional depiction (such as a drawing of someone who doesn't even exist).

Oh, Eddy. How do you feel about nude shots of 13 year old girls? What about with semen on them? What about dildos in the vaginas of 14 year olds? 13 year olds giving head to older guys, broadcast on the internet? 14 yo boys having anal sex with 50 yo men?

Starr
06-01-2006, 08:52 PM
The rule is only caused by the culture and the way many of us raise children nowadays, which is to remove their responsibilities and prolong their childhood.

So would it be wise in our current culture to trust these young kids with adult responsibilities? 16 year olds do not know if they are coming or going. they will choose to have sex for such mature and responsible reasons, such as they believe everyone else is doing it.:p Girls are especially naive when it comes to this crap. Lowering the age of consent tells them to go right ahead.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 08:54 PM
What if the populace was comfortable with deporting non-Whites from Canada??

Of course not. I don't approve of theft.

Then move. :)

Why?

So has murder.

Miscegenation isn't remotely like murder. It's just mating. You have a problem with natural human mating?

Oh, Eddy.

I don't have sex for money, but I do lack your excellent sense of "culture."

Jimbo Gomez
06-01-2006, 08:54 PM
16 year is way too young to have sex. The limit should be 18.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 08:56 PM
So would it be wise in our current culture to trust these young kids with adult responsibilities? 16 year olds do not know if they are coming or going. they will choose to have sex for such mature and responsible reasons, such as they believe everyone else is doing it.:p Girls are especially naive when it comes to this crap. Lowering the age of consent tells them to go right ahead.

Yes, they only act like young kids because they have no responsibilities. In cultures and households where they are trusted with adult responsibilities, they begin to act like adults sooner. People do not magically start acting like adults at 18 because they're 18. In general, people nowadays at this age still act immaturely. They start growing up when they have to take on responsibilities.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 08:57 PM
16 year is way too young to have sex. The limit should be 18.

Yeah right. At 16, every hormone in your body is demanding that you start mating. Our culture is out of step with nature.

Starr
06-01-2006, 08:58 PM
Of course not. I don't approve of theft

so, you are only comfortable in the idea of "letting the populace decide" if it is a decision you can agree with. If they want porn, that is great. If they want mass deportations of non-whites, then you have to step in and save them from themselves.

Starr
06-01-2006, 09:01 PM
Yes, they only act like young kids because they have no responsibilities. In cultures and households where they are trusted with adult responsibilities, they begin to act like adults sooner. People do not magically start acting like adults at 18 because they're 18. In general, people nowadays at this age still act immaturely. They start growing up when they have to take on responsibilities.


Adult responsibilities would be something along the lines of having a job and a family, not just telling them to go out and have all the sex they want.

Ahmadinebobina
06-01-2006, 09:04 PM
Some people would even hint that a 30 year old who has sex with an 18 year old is a "child molesting pervert."

Most people question that already.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 09:05 PM
so, you are only comfortable in the idea of "letting the populace decide" if it is a decision you can agree with. If they want porn, that is great. If they want mass deportations of non-whites, then you have to step in and save them from themselves.

You're comparing beaver shots to violent ethnic cleansings. :nuts:

Daniel Shays
06-01-2006, 09:07 PM
Of course not. I don't approve of theft.
Huh? So you only side with the will of the people when it entails making kiddie porn more accesible.
Why?
You know why all those cultures are so enduring? They lack those such as yourself that bitch about their own culture and constantly compare it to foreign cultures. You are a cultural parasite, you have no culture. All you have are vague and hollow allusions to "how they do things over there". BTW, in some places they will cut out your clitoris after puberty.
Miscegenation isn't remotely like murder.
You're right, they are different. Unlike murder, miscegenation is ALWAYS associated with genocide. Miscegenation is mini-genocide.


You're comparing beaver shots to violent ethnic cleansings. :nuts:

Who inferred violence? You did.

Eddy please tell us how you feel about :

Nude shots of 13 year old girls? What about with semen on them? What about dildos in the vaginas of 14 year olds? 13 year olds giving head to older guys, broadcast on the internet? 14 yo boys having anal sex with 50 yo men?

Eddy
06-01-2006, 09:08 PM
Adult responsibilities would be something along the lines of having a job and a family, not just telling them to go out and have all the sex they want.

They're already having all the sex they want, without anyone telling them to do so. I would support reforms which would alter mandatory education to an EFFECTIVE teaching of the basics and encourage teenagers to join trade schools and apprenticeships and start looking for jobs and families instead of being stuck in high school.

Starr
06-01-2006, 09:11 PM
They're already having all the sex they want, without anyone telling them to do so.

yeah, they are, but that doesn't mean we have to encourage them even more by giving our approval of it. That reminds me of a parent that knows their kid is drinking or doing drugs and decides "well they are going to do it anyway, so I should just let them have parties at the house" This is irresponsible.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 09:14 PM
Huh? So you only side with the will of the people when it entails making kiddie porn more accesible.

False. There are just some things I don't approve of even with "the will of the people" and that's murder and mass theft of homes. We also aren't talking of kiddie porn, since teenagers aren't kids.

You know why all those cultures are so enduring? They lack those such as yourself that bitch about their own culture and constantly compare it to foreign cultures. You are a cultural parasite, you have no culture. All you have are vague and hollow allusions to "how they do things over there". BTW, in some places they will cut out your clitoris after puberty.

I am most likely more in support of the culture I live in than people dreaming up a WHITE REVOLUTION to overthrow that liberal, degenerate culture that you despise. Your culture is nothing but alienated fantasies in your own head. It's not real.

You're right, they are different. Unlike murder, miscegenation is ALWAYS associated with genocide. Miscegenation is mini-genocide.

Yeah, like spilling sperm is "mini-murder." Ridiculous nonsense.

Who inferred violence? You did.

If I came and kicked you out of your home at gunpoint because I think you're creating a dysgenic effect on my country, do you think that would be a peaceful action?

Hippias
06-01-2006, 09:20 PM
What the first major study of online porn reveals:

Porn UK
First major study of online pornography reveals 1 in 4 adults, including 1.4m women, downloaded images last year
By Anthony Barnes and Sophie Goodchild
Published: 28 May 2006

Record numbers of men and women are downloading pornography from the internet, making Britain the fastest-growing market in the world for the booming £20bn adult website industry.

In the first definitive portrait of the nation's consumption of pornography, The Independent on Sunday can today reveal that more than nine million men - almost 40 per cent of the male population - used pornographic websites last year, compared with an estimated two million in 2000.

In a major survey for the IoS by Nielsen NetRatings, a world leader in internet analysis, research discloses that women are among the fastest-growing users of pornography on the internet, with a 30 per cent rise from just over one million to 1.4 million in the past 12 months. The figures also show that more than half of all children - some seven million - have encountered pornography on the internet "while looking for something else".[/B[

Until now, the extent of the use by Britons of internet pornography had not been accurately measured. But the new figures show that one in four men aged 25 to 49 have visited an adult website in the past month - a total of 2.5 million. The surge in use of web pornography mirrors a huge boom in the number of hard-core sex films available to buy legally in the UK over the past few years. Film censors passed more hard-core sex films last year than 18-rated movies.

Relationship agencies have reported that [B]as many as 40 per cent of couples with problems believe pornography has contributed to their difficulties.

Christine Lacey, a senior counsellor for Relate, said: "For many women, the reaction is exactly the same as if they discovered their partner is having an affair. They may not be having sex with someone else but the effect is the same if it is detrimental to their marriage."

Sandra Gidley, MP, Liberal Democrat health spokesperson, said she was "alarmed by the type of material accessible to people, particularly young people". "I'm concerned that the boundaries are being pushed on what is acceptable. Some of the hard-core stuff is quite shocking," she said.

While some specialists welcomed the figures, saying they show Britons have a more liberated attitude towards sex, others warned the search for graphic images of sex acts is contributing to relationship break-ups.

Phillip Hodson of the British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy warned that this new generation of "voyeurs" risk problems in their love lives. "The internet has made sex-lazy men even sex-lazier where they get lost in their own world," he added. "It used to be said that men neglected foreplay, but now they are neglecting sex."

The UK porn industry is estimated to be now worth about £1bn, compared with £20bn worldwide. British internet surfers look up the word "porn" more than anyone in the English-speaking world.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article620728.ece

Eddy
06-01-2006, 09:21 PM
Eddy please tell us how you feel about :

Nude shots of 13 year old girls? What about with semen on them? What about dildos in the vaginas of 14 year olds? 13 year olds giving head to older guys, broadcast on the internet? 14 yo boys having anal sex with 50 yo men?

I suggested 16 as the age of consent and legal adulthood. At a younger age, I think sexuality should be explored at the person's own initiative and curiousity rather than as vocation. It's a grey, emotional issue. I think all drawings and scribblings should be legal.

Starr
06-01-2006, 09:24 PM
I knew a woman who allowed her kids to do certain things because "they are doing it anyway"(a couple of whom were friends of mine) she would allow her young daughters to have sex without any kind of condemnation. She even purchased and allowed us to smoke pot in her house. Her kids, who are now adults, are all fucked up. Trusting them with adult responsibilites did not turn them into adults, it is more like they are still teenagers even though they are adults.

This woman was a cop of all things.

Daniel Shays
06-01-2006, 09:24 PM
I am most likely more in support of the culture I live in than people dreaming up a WHITE REVOLUTION to overthrow that liberal, degenerate culture that you despise. Your culture is nothing but alienated fantasies in your own head. It's not real.
:nuts:

First, I'd like to point out that my country was founded on a White Revolution (or as you call it a, "WHITE REVOLUTION").

Second, there is no current culture, Eddy. Perhaps you forgot, we have something called "multi-culturalism". :D
Yeah, like spilling sperm is "mini-murder." Ridiculous nonsense.
Not comparable.

If I came and kicked you out of your home at gunpoint because I think you're creating a dysgenic effect on my country, do you think that would be a peaceful action?
If we ended immigration and started offering non-Whites incentives to leave w/ fair financial compensation would you call that violent?

Eddy
06-01-2006, 09:26 PM
I knew a woman who allowed her kids to do certain things because "they are doing it anyway"(a couple of whom were friends of mine) she would allow her young daughters to have sex without any kind of condemnation. She even purchased and allowed us to smoke pot in her house. Her kids, who are now adults, are all fucked up. Trusting them with adult responsibilites did not turn them into adults, it is more like they are still teenagers even though they are adults.

This woman was a cop of all things.

What responsibilities did she give them? Do you know what a responsibility is? Where these teens told that they must hold jobs to pay for their keep and pay 100% for every mistake?

Or did she just give them a gaggle of freedoms in a playpen without any actual responsibility?

Helios Panoptes
06-01-2006, 09:33 PM
Yes. The 18 cutoff is mostly an American creation. I'd be comfortable reducing the age of consent, age of legal drinking, and age to be responsible for one's self to 16.


I agree, but other things would need to change. 16 year olds are obviously developed enough to have sex and will do so regardless. Furthermore, this "18 is the legal age" idea is a relatively modern notion and in the past its absence did not result in the downfall of civilization; far from it. However, we treat 16 year olds like children, so they are, in fact, ill-prepared for sexual relationships.

I would have no problem with people getting married at 16 if culture adjusted to prepare them for this. People nowadays are going in the wrong direction. The number of women having children after 30 is much, much too high.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 09:34 PM
:nuts:

First, I'd like to point out that my country was founded on a White Revolution.

Yeah, that's what the American revolution was all about - race!

Second, there is no current culture, Eddy. Perhaps you forgot, we have something called "multi-culturalism". :D

There have always been different cultures in America for you to be dissatisfied with and not fit into. Now there are more for you to not fit into. And if you imagine that there is no culture, then your statement about me bitching about my culture makes no sense.

Not comparable.

Both ridiculous ravings.


If we ended immigration and started offering non-Whites incentives to leave w/ fair financial compensation would you call that violent?

Depends on incentives, but provided they are peaceful incentives....no, but you'd still have non-whites around because they won't all go.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 09:36 PM
:nuts:


^^ Why won't you answer, Eddy?

I already answered. Try to keep up with the thread, my slow friend.

Janus
06-01-2006, 09:39 PM
Bad pornography should be outlawed.

Daniel Shays
06-01-2006, 09:43 PM
I would have no problem with people getting married at 16 if culture adjusted to prepare them for this. People nowadays are going in the wrong direction. The number of women having children after 30 is much, much too high.
I agree but only if they marry someone who isn't old enough to be their parent.

I suggested 16 as the age of consent and legal adulthood. At a younger age, I think sexuality should be explored at the person's own initiative and curiousity rather than as vocation.
Tell us more about the exploration process for those under 16.
And if you imagine that there is no culture, then your statement about me bitching about my culture makes no sense.
False. There is no current culture because people like you railed against it.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 09:47 PM
Tell us more about the exploration process for those under 16.

Everyone who's been a teenager should know this. If you engaged in no sexual exploration and curiousity when you were a teen, then you're just different from many.

False. There is no current culture because people like you railed against it.

Tell me about this culture that I railed against. The 18 year old age of consent is actually MODERN. Younger age of consent is BACK IN TEH GOOD OL DAYS.

Janus
06-01-2006, 09:51 PM
"A.O.C." should be based upon the bodily-development of an individual, IMO.

Daniel Shays
06-01-2006, 09:57 PM
Everyone who's been a teenager should know this. If you engaged in no sexual exploration and curiousity when you were a teen, then you're just different from many.
You think it's ok for those under 16 to fool around with grown men in the "learning process"?
Tell me about this culture that I railed against.
People like you.
The 18 year old age of consent is actually MODERN. Younger age of consent is BACK IN TEH GOOD OL DAYS.
This changed over time for various reasons, it wasn't spurred on by a relativist counter culture (anti-culture) movement.

Eddy
06-01-2006, 10:04 PM
You think it's ok for those under 16 to fool around with grown men in the "learning process"?

Marrying teens to older guys would be a very traditional arrangement, but I'm thinking more of peers doing the same ol' playing with each other that they always have.

Dyne
06-01-2006, 10:59 PM
You enjoy degrading women?

I didn't say that but since you're asking, yes. :)

Jake Featherston
06-02-2006, 09:38 AM
Eddy please tell us how you feel about :

Nude shots of 13 year old girls? What about with semen on them? What about dildos in the vaginas of 14 year olds? 13 year olds giving head to older guys, broadcast on the internet? 14 yo boys having anal sex with 50 yo men?

Those things are already highly illegal here in the USA, and as one who voted "No," and generally believes in continuing the legal availability of most pornography, I have absolutely no problem with that sort of porn being illegal, nor does anyone I know out here in the San Francisco Bay Area. Stuff like that is utterly beyond the pale here in America; we don't generally include stuff like that when we refer to pornography, rather that would be more like contraband, that under the right circumstances and depending which state you were in, could easily wind up causing you to spend decades behind bars. That wasn't what I was voting for when I voted "No." I doubt (m)any others meant to either. I certainly hope not.

WFHermans
06-02-2006, 12:05 PM
Nudity itself certainly doesn't lead to rape. In the Third Reich it was normal to see nudity and no Aryan would think of committing crimes because of that.
In our present nigger-ridden society nudity does lead to rape and murder, because negroes don't have selfcontrol.

The type of prnographic material will also promote rape. Playboy, owned by half-jew Hugh Hefner and promoted by both the Republican and Democratic parties, for instance, gives the message that every woman is always willing to have sex, and therefore glorifies rape.

Hermetic
06-02-2006, 12:22 PM
Kevin O'Keeffe, does your wife know of your fun with porno? Most chicks go batshit if there other is engaging in porno. They take it personal almost like there cheating. I think it is because most women are insecure.

Eddy
06-02-2006, 12:24 PM
The type of prnographic material will also promote rape. Playboy, owned by half-jew Hugh Hefner and promoted by both the Republican and Democratic parties, for instance, gives the message that every woman is always willing to have sex, and therefore glorifies rape.

Show a statistical correlation between legality of porn and rape incidences please. Otherwise, you're spouting unproven theories.

WFHermans
06-02-2006, 12:47 PM
I'm not talking about porn but about a particular type of porn. The judeo-christians have nothing in particular against rape-promoting porn, they're against all nudity.

Coca cola commercials will make more people buy coca cola.
Rape-promoting commercials will promote rape.

OVERWATCH
06-02-2006, 12:54 PM
Those things are already highly illegal here in the USA, and as one who voted "No," and generally believes in continuing the legal availability of most pornography, I have absolutely no problem with that sort of porn being illegal, nor does anyone I know out here in the San Francisco Bay Area. Stuff like that is utterly beyond the pale here in America; we don't generally include stuff like that when we refer to pornography, rather that would be more like contraband, that under the right circumstances and depending which state you were in, could easily wind up causing you to spend decades behind bars. That wasn't what I was voting for when I voted "No." I doubt (m)any others meant to either. I certainly hope not.
I agree with you.

I should have voted "other", because whether or not to outlaw porn depends on the type of porn being discussed.

My 'no' vote is in effect a vote for keeping the laws as they are, more or less, as I suspect most other 'no' votes are, as well..

limit
06-02-2006, 01:01 PM
I voted other. Some forms of porn, sexual activity that is acceptable socially, and nudity, I don't object to being recorded.

Eddy
06-02-2006, 01:01 PM
I'm not talking about porn but about a particular type of porn. The judeo-christians have nothing in particular against rape-promoting porn, they're against all nudity.

Coca cola commercials will make more people buy coca cola.
Rape-promoting commercials will promote rape.

Show some correlation please. Do you think video games have made suburban teenagers run around shooting people like they're in DOOM?

WFHermans
06-02-2006, 01:24 PM
I don't have that evidence. I don't have any evidence that coca cola commercials make people drink more coca cola either.

Eddy
06-02-2006, 01:28 PM
I don't have that evidence. I don't have any evidence that coca cola commercials make people drink more coca cola either.

So you have another unproven theory without evidence, which is what most of your "factual" statements happen to be. A lot of rape fantasy material is enjoyed by women, by the way. Many women get off on that kind of thing.

Ahknaton
06-02-2006, 01:52 PM
My 'no' vote is in effect a vote for keeping the laws as they are, more or less, as I suspect most other 'no' votes are, as well..Me too.

I certainly didn't mean to advocate the legalisation of child pornography by voting no.

IlluSionS667
06-02-2006, 01:53 PM
IMO, all pornography should be banned. The reason : pornography tends to desensitize people with regards to graphic nudity, just like graphic violence tends to desensitize people with regards to graphic violence.

I do not really have a problem with desensitization against graphic violence, because this can actually make you tough. Watching the more gory horror flick is still childplay in comparison with what many of our ancestors had to go through when fighting at the front or seeing their own city bombed to the ground.

Things are different for graphic nudity. When a man is used to seeing the most perfectly looking women without anything covered whatsoever, it can become harder for him to get turned on by his only less perfectly looking girlfriend. This can lead to sexual dysfunction problems.

At the same time, he may eventually get desensitized by the porn he is used to watching, so he goes looking for more "kinky" stuff: bondage, bisexual porn, gay porn, rape-porn, child porn or whatever gets him turned on. It shouldn't surprise anyone that this even further desensitizes him and hence has an even greater influence on sex with his girlfriend. He might want to try some of this kinky stuff with her, even further endangering what once used to be a normal healthy sex life.


Men used to be unfamiliar with feminine nudity outside their bedroom. As a result, they would get turned on the very minute they saw a naked female breast, let alone her lower body parts. Today, some men have problems getting turned with their lover while she's laying next to her with her legs wide open. The cause: too much porn.

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I have one objection to banning porn, though: how the hell can we define porn?

If any type of picture that shows a naked breast is porn, we would have to illegalise many baroque and renaissance paintings. Hence, we must look for a more concrete definition.

If we add the intent to create sexual herousal to our definition, how can we prove such intent?

If we mention the depiction of the lower bodyparts, then what about all the Greek and Roman statues that depicted those too?

etc.

And of course, there's one more thing : unless we really ban everything that shows one naked female breast (like the old paintings I mentionned), there will always people who bypass the law by bringing porn that does not fall within the definition of porn.

Is there any way out of this? I can't say I know......

Eddy
06-02-2006, 01:56 PM
Today, some men have problems getting turned with their lover while she's laying next to her with her legs wide open.

Don't worry, mate. It's a common fantasy.

IlluSionS667
06-02-2006, 02:01 PM
while she's laying next to her with her legs wide open.

while she's laying next to him with her legs wide open, of course. :p

Why are we talking about girls lying with their legs open in the first place? I shouldn't be doing that with my girlfriend being 1500 km away from where I'm currently at........ That's just annoying.

Jake Featherston
06-02-2006, 02:24 PM
Nudity itself certainly doesn't lead to rape. In the Third Reich it was normal to see nudity and no Aryan would think of committing crimes because of that.
In our present nigger-ridden society nudity does lead to rape and murder, because negroes don't have selfcontrol.

Yes, that's all true. Its also true that a nigger is a nigger and always will be, that's why he can't live amongst you and me. (Hey! I made a half-assed rhyme!)

Seriously, though, the problem you cite i.e., niggers are acting like niggers, while unfortunate to be sure, is something of a truism, rather than an imminent crisis per se. The niggers will always rape our women, vandalize that property of ours they can't steal, and kill our men for sport (albeit one unarmed White man at a time, up against five armed niggers*) , anally raping and otherwise torturing whenever conditions will allow for them to have what ought to be referred to as Nigger Fun. That's what they like to do. When they can't find a human to torture, mutilate, sodomize, and slaughter, they go out and get themselves an animal (wild or domesticated). What do you think happens to all those missing cats that get suddenly taken in various cities? "Satanic cults," indeed! LeRoy and Tyrone just found a new way to get their jollies by making beautiful, affectionate creatures scream in agony until they die (what more does one need to know about the character of a nigger?)

But I seriously digress.

My point was that niggerswill cease to steal our property, rape our women & girls (Hell, infants), and put us in fear for our own lives during whatever week it is that White people decide it is time for the niggers to knock it tye friggin' Hell off. The Black Problem can be solved, and with very little violence (perhaps a dubious selling point), due to their being a disorganized, cowardly rabble of undisciplined sub-morons. They are only a threat so long as we as a people choose to allow them to behave as if their people were something other than the race of stupid, vulgar weaklings they actually are. Hell, we could probably eliminate 90% of them (from the entire planet) without using nukes OR sending in large infantry formations. If we were to do that, its not only Japan that would applaud; most Humans would be happy to see them go.

The much, MUCH bigger problem is the phenomenon whereby working and even middle class Whites are adhering to very similar values & behavior mores as the ghetto niggers. Parents who knowingly allow their children to immerse themselves in (c)rap "music" and the various other aspects of jungle, um, culture(?) are criminals, and ought be dealt with as such. There exists no room in any proper White person's life for such filth and degeneracy. As the upcoming White generation is propagandized into a worthless gaggle of would-be Nigger thugs, one phrase keeps springing back to mind in regards to the neo-von Jews in "our" government, and their psuedo-liberal co-conspirators in the media, and that phrase is "act of war." Brain-washing our children in order to dump a lot of them into a drug-addled, prison-bound millieu of often nearly unemployable, remorseless, coldly hostile, half-brain-dead llittle worthless punks, is an act of war, and Jews have been waging theirs against our people for far too long.

Niggers and Jews will always be trouble. What's so wrong with today is that many Whites are taking their behavioral cues from them.. The niggers are waging war on our children merely by setting such an atrocious example, which the Jews make fashioanble & thus popular, via their dominant media. Both of those groups can psychobabble about how their victimization justifies their wicked cruelty all they like, but they're trying to destroy our children (by transforming them into ignorant thugs and vulgar, slutty welfare mammies), thus its high time we demonstrate our willingness to destroy all of them and theirs.


*Is there any such thing as an unarmed nigger? They seem to all start sporting revolvers in the Fourth Grade or whatnot. A shame more of them don't play Russian Roulette....

Jake Featherston
06-02-2006, 03:07 PM
does your wife know of your fun with porno? Most chicks go batshit if there other is engaging in porno. They take it personal almost like there cheating. I think it is because most women are insecure.

She usually doesn't mind, but that's because I can make her (or Hell, any woman, at least so far) have these multi-minute orgasms during which they scream, feel like they're falling through space, forget their own names, think maybe they've died and ascended to some new form of existence, etc., pretty much effortlessly on my part. Its always come very natural to me, and I love doing it. Your wife or girlfriend gives you a little more freedom all around when you can do that to her whenever you like. Women tell me very few men can do that to them (usually I'm the only one they know about), but I can't understand why that would be. Its so easy.

Maybe I should write a Clitoris* Operators' Manual....


*The location of the cklitoris, sufficient enthusiasm, as well as knowledge of a few basic foreplay techniques to warm them up is all one needs (you don't even need an erection, although it is recommended). However, the single most effective foreplay technique grosses a lot/most men out, and probably isn't very healthy for me, and should only be done after she's showered. Most men don't utilize it, I suspect, because it sort of sickens them. I utilize it because it works like gangbusters!

Geez, I hope she doesn't read this....

Eddy
06-02-2006, 03:10 PM
However, the single most effective foreplay technique grosses a lot/most men out, and probably isn't very healthy for me, and should only be done after she's showered. Most men don't utilize it, I suspect, because it sort of sickens them.

Does it start with an A and end in a lingus?

IlluSionS667
06-02-2006, 03:57 PM
Your wife or girlfriend gives you a little more freedom all around when you can do that to her whenever you like. Women tell me very few men can do that to them (usually I'm the only one they know about), but I can't understand why that would be. Its so easy.

I suspect there are two reasons :
1. many men are too impatient to let their sex partner get excited enough before penetration
2. it only works for women who are open for the experience. Many women are too filled with worries and complexes to get in such a mood (though some alcohol or marihuana can help in such a case) or they are not sufficiently attracted to their sex partner. I is not unlikely that many men had predominantly that type of woman as prior experience before meeting their current girlfriend, hence not having had the possibility of learning the fullest extent of a female orgasm and the ways to achieve it.

But that's just my five cents. I should really stop talking about orgasms with my girlfriend being on the other side of Europe.....

albion
06-02-2006, 05:16 PM
I should really stop talking about orgasms with my girlfriend being on the other side of Europe.....
http://www.megapussy.com/pussy-gallery/pussy-016.jpg

I vote "No"

Starr
06-02-2006, 07:35 PM
Kevin O'Keeffe, does your wife know of your fun with porno? Most chicks go batshit if there other is engaging in porno. They take it personal almost like there cheating. I think it is because most women are insecure.

Some women get jealous or seem to have an attitude if the guy even mentions that he is attracted to certain actresses, etc. But it doesn't make a lot of sense. If the guy was looking at nude pictures or videos of the next door neighbor or a woman he personally knew it would be different.