How would you define the white race? The caucasoid race?

[Jimbo Gomez]

Civil discussion only please. Different people obviously have very different definitions of it, so let's compare those.

[jcs]

Caucasoid-- everyone who is significantly more Caucasoid than Mongolod, Negroid, or Australoid; everyone native to Europe, the Middle East, India (or at least the northern part), and possibly Ethiopia, although outside of Europe most Caucasoids have some degree of non-Caucasoid blood.

White--an anthropologically meaningless word; a form of identification that only has any meaning in politics, and mostly in American politics (where we have whites against blacks and asians); loosely refers to Europids, though some use the term exclusively with Central and Northern Europeans, and some extend the term to include near-east Caucasoids. 'White' has only political significance and is a socially constructed race if there ever was one, given the numerous different uses of the word in reference to different peoples.

Note: if 'white' refers to Europids, the extension of the concept to some near-east groups is fairly viable because, though Europids are genetically distinct from other groups for the most part, Western Mediterraneanids and some south-eastern European peoples are only as different from eastern Mediterraneanids and other Middle Eastern populations as they are from some northern European groups. Europids are still distinct from their near-eastern Caucasoid relatives, but unless we resort to creating a Europid concept with central and peripheral groups--an silly pseudo-anthropological creation--the extension of 'white' to near eastern peoples is not without some reason.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Caucasoid-- everyone who is significantly more Caucasoid than Mongolod, Negroid, or Australoid

You used a word to define itself. ;)

To reply to your post: I agree that the word white has most significance in the USA, but here in Europe the white race as a separate concept has a meaning too I found.

[Excorcism]

I tend to group people of Indo-European ancestry as white, or caucasoid in a better term, but I find a difference between caucasoid white in Europe and caucasoid white in the Middle East. I see similiarities between certain MIddle Eastern groups like Persians, Kurds, etc. with say certain European whites, but of course I see differences between the two.

[Sinclair]

Primarily Indo-European visible background, I guess. Bear in mind that this doesn't mean that there's some Indo-European "culture" still around in force, or that we'd all be best off in one huge country, or whatever.

[Péter]

From a biological perspective, the term race is only logical from the standpoint of human population groups, or ethnicities.

[I'll have more on this in due time...]

[Gorilla]

I agree with much of the above, though I might add that the concept of 'race' might mean different things in different contexts-for example, to mobilize a population for a given end, the concept of 'white' (as used above), might be promoted, and there is 'some truth' to it, though many experts may disagree after applying the most rigorous standards-and then 'white', after a long enough period, might well become a reality.

[jcs]

the concept of 'race' might mean different things in different contexts
Biological/anthropological 'race' is completely meaningless if viewed only as such. Culture and spirit are far more important, and a holistic conception of race accounts for these elements as well.

There is not a person on earth who feels any connection to these things we call genes. Every person who loves their race, in fact, feels loyalty to blood and the soul which comes there-from.

[Excorcism]

Biological/anthropological 'race' is completely meaningless if viewed only as such. Culture and spirit are far more important, and a holistic conception of race accounts for these elements as well.

There is not a person on earth who feels any connection to these things we call genes. Every person who loves their race, in fact, feels loyalty to blood and the soul which comes there-from.

as the American philosopher, William James, would state (in loose terms) "we base our strength in reality not in material things, but of the emotions we have from our memories."

[Charles_Rigaud]

Caucasoid-- everyone who is significantly more Caucasoid than Mongolod, Negroid, or Australoid; everyone native to Europe, the Middle East, India (or at least the northern part), and possibly Ethiopia, although outside of Europe most Caucasoids have some degree of non-Caucasoid blood.

White--an anthropologically meaningless word; a form of identification that only has any meaning in politics, and mostly in American politics (where we have whites against blacks and asians); loosely refers to Europids, though some use the term exclusively with Central and Northern Europeans, and some extend the term to include near-east Caucasoids. 'White' has only political significance and is a socially constructed race if there ever was one, given the numerous different uses of the word in reference to different peoples.

Note: if 'white' refers to Europids, the extension of the concept to some near-east groups is fairly viable because, though Europids are genetically distinct from other groups for the most part, Western Mediterraneanids and some south-eastern European peoples are only as different from eastern Mediterraneanids and other Middle Eastern populations as they are from some northern European groups. Europids are still distinct from their near-eastern Caucasoid relatives, but unless we resort to creating a Europid concept with central and peripheral groups--an silly pseudo-anthropological creation--the extension of 'white' to near eastern peoples is not without some reason.


Ethiopia is a definite no-no as far as Caucasoids are concerned. Elongated East African with some Semitic Southern Arabian ancestry is more accurate[in the case of the Semitic speaking Ethiopians, except for the Harari people, the Cushitic speaking Ethiopians have very little Arab or Middle Eastern ancestry.]

[Atlas]

It's tough to answer to such question since there are even different sub-races amongst the White Race.

[Banat]

Caucasoid race? The assemblage of various races and sub-races, including Europeans, Asian "Aryans" and Turkic peoples, Northern Africans and Asian Arabs. And all of those "mix-breeds" with other major races, but with predominant Caucasoid characteristics, meaning that they were very similar in physical appearance with certain non-mixed Caucasians.

But that hardly has any meaning, because of racial and sub-racial differences within all major races. So, if the question was who were the "whites" - it goes to Europeans, from Nordids to Meds, and those Asians and Africans who could "pass" as such, if there are any.

[Vindex]

I define it as the White Race, this pisses off the egghead types who always want to make everything sound like rocket science. But I walk up to a person and say the White Race they know what Iam talking about if I start ranting sub-Races and the like they have no clue.

Over here White people know that White people exist and they know what they look like too. They do not need a professior to draw a chart or write a book on the subject they just naturally know. Ironic the people the ivory tower types always refer to as the bottom of existance understand such a simple but important fact, where they can not.

As within the White Race I lump it into Aryan and non Aryan. Aryan being a White person who thinks and acts like a Noble one, and white trash. Most white trash can be found on the corperate boards, in the halls of hackidemica, in rich mansions, in the pulpit, the houses of goverment and major media networks. Not the working class White Man who lives in a trailer park and works a honest job for 48 hours a week, as the rich jews and traitor gad flies like to say.

[Anarch]

Descendents of European Christendom :D

[Vindex]

That is nice reptile, or are you still claiming to be angel-human hybrid man?


Actually I CAN PROVE THE WHITE RACE DOES NOT EXIST using the philosophy of Immanuel Kant, Arthur Schopenhauer (only to refer to certain meta changed Kantian bromides), Ludwig Wittgenstein's "Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus" and Michio Kaku' s book "Hyperspace" with some discussion of micro and macro quantumn physics for good measure. It's really a rather simple concept. The white race is only a "thing" not a "fact".

[Vindex]

You claimed to be a shape shifting reptile about a year ago at vnn. Now your a angel human hybrid? And you came to this conclusion from watching the matrix?


I never claimed to be a repitle that was one of David Icke's delusions. I am of the Nephilim or at least partly (hybrid), yes, and I likely attained it through the Merovingian lines and perhaps other lines.

[Felix the Cat]

wtf? :)

[daisy]

how would you define the white race? the caucasoid race?captured rapturing white power!

[Apothecary]

Civil discussion only please. Different people obviously have very different definitions of it, so let's compare those.

Those who are not Negroid, Semitic or Asian.

[daisy]

caucasoid race? the assemblage of various races and sub-races, including europeans, asian, aryans, and turkic peoples, northern africans and asian arabs. and all of those so called "mix-breeds" with other races, but with predominant caucasoid characteristics, meaning that they were very similar in physical appearance with certain so called non-mixed caucasians. so, if the question was who were the "whites" -it goes to europeans, from nordids to meds, and those asians and africans who could "pass" as caucasianswho were the whites? one of the things i agree with blacks on is that white albinos are equated with the origins of the caucasian race.

[Banat]

Those who are not Negroid, Semitic or Asian.

Why would Semites be non-Caucasian?

[Dionysus]

I don't necessarily define things in terms of White Race, Caucasoid race; as Aryan and non-aryan. Instead to me there are four (quite unscientific) terms; sameness, similarity, different, and otherness. It's (deliberately:p) ambigous, I know.

[brigadier Biggles]

THe first things that come into my head with White and Caucasoid are the Vikings, Germanic tribes, Celts and Romans... tall, pasty faced, fine facial bone structured and maybe light hair & eyes...

Not just me either this image is also the obsession with the media when it comes to "White/European"...ie the Nordic look

[Jimbo Gomez]

Romans weren't nordic. :)

[brigadier Biggles]

No but they were tall & fine featured.

Busts of some of the emperors they look sort of Dinaric..

[OVERWATCH]

Since 'white' as a racial term is best used in a local context, I define it however the locals define it.

Where I live, 'white' would be in essence anyone descended from Europe, but could also include second and third generation caucasoid(especially europoid) immigrants who have assimilated, as well as some who might have some small amount of mixed blood. Since the fall of the one-drop rule here it is a terribly imprecise and somewhat abstract term.

[Leif]

White--an anthropologically meaningless word; a form of identification that only has any meaning in politics, and mostly in American politics (where we have whites against blacks and asians); loosely refers to Europids, though some use the term exclusively with Central and Northern Europeans, and some extend the term to include near-east Caucasoids. 'White' has only political significance and is a socially constructed race if there ever was one, given the numerous different uses of the word in reference to different peoples.

I agree with this completely.

[raven]

the "white race" is basically Europe minus Bosnia and Albania. Bosnians and Albanians are incompatible with european culture unless they reject their moslem culture. However despite there being a "white race" I feel it is impossible to have pan-europeanism unity. Every time I see some nordicist go off on how southern euros are moors/niggers/jews/etc. I realize more and more that such a unity is impossible due to all the ignoramouses out there. Yes its very possible we southern euros have foreign blood if you count five plus centuries back but the same can be said for northern euros. It's all a big "cock fight"... the "whiter than thou" shit is pretty revolting. Which is why I don't believe in any sort of movement. Anyone who needs to see that such a movement doesn't work could just look at VNN.

The Caucasoid race are basically caucasoids who have little to neglible mixture with mongoloid and negroid races. Think Diablo's Pan-Aryanism. That's basically the "collective" Caucasoid race.

[infoterror]

I don't necessarily define things in terms of White Race, Caucasoid race; as Aryan and non-aryan.

I use the traditional meaning of Arya, e.g. highest caste.

"White" is not very meaningful; like Caucasoid and Euripid, there's a number of questions.

I'm also not fond of defending all "white" groups, including heaps of white niggers like Slavs and the Irish (and of course, latent homosexuals like the English).

I am a nationalist for the Pan-German nation worldwide.

[daisy]

white niggers like Slavs and the Irish
you didn't like the albino irish coming back in black
yeah not too many people did

[Die]

Infoterror, do you wake up and shape the world each day in the shitter?

[Ahknaton]

I believe that race is the biological analogue of civilisation, as ethnicity is the analogue of nation. The "White race" should be broadly defined as all those ethnicities that have made up what is thought of as "Western Civilisation".

Demarcating the geographical extents of the territory to which Whites are indigenous is always going to be somewhat arbitrary, as there are always going to be dubious "boundary conditions", but I reckon up to and including Spain and Italy in the South, up to but excluding Turkey in the South East, and up to and including Russia in the East.

Along the southern border of Russia is tricky, not sure about where to draw the line there. I guess I'd better include the Caucasus or I'm just going to look stupid :D

[Prometheus]

You cannot define the white race, without an idea of what a 'race' actually is...

There are two common usages of the term. The first is a rather arbitrary description of any group of people, more commonly known today as an 'ethnicity'. So we may talk of a 'race' being any group of somewhat seperate and identifiable people. Therefore, we can consider the "Nordic Race", the "Japanese Race" and the "Cherokee Race" as being a group of people who share a similar identity and are somewhat seperate from others. However, this is quite arbitrary and more to do with identity/politics and a very small number of phenotypic differences, rather than any large enough disparity to warrant the term.

In essence, most of what we call 'race', isn't suffiently different enough from other 'races' to warrant being a race. While we may refer to a "Celtic" and "Saxon" race, they are technically the same race.

The other usage, is a purely biological usage, where race is equated with variation or breed. In this sense, race defines not a phenotype, but rather a biological breeding group. This is important to realize, as most people define race by appearance and members of a race are determined by their similarity to a predefined and somewhat arbitrary appearance. Most people seem to determine who is white this way.

Technically, members of a race are capable of recreating members of the same race, in the same way, that a certain variety of plant, can only continue to exist, if members of that variety are bred together. What this means, is that when you mix two caucosoids, you get another caucosoid, and you can continue this ad infinitum. Mix a caucasoid with a negro, and you no longer get a caucosoid, the original elements are lost.

To give a clearer example, if we are talking about the European race (a sub race of caucasians), then we would define as European, anyone capable of having offspring that fill within the European type, or more succintly, and two people who are capable of having children that resemble both parents. Therefore, a Northern and Southern European are of the same race, because despite the differences in pigmentation, the children, and grandchildren, will still retain both the nordic and southern European features. The overall phenotype of members of a particular race therefore do not really change over time and no particular traits are lost. Mix a nordic and an African, and you can never hope to recreate the nordic type. Mix a European and a dark Indian, and you do not get another European type, but rather somewhere in between.

Therefore, using this definition, as long as I stay within my race, future members will resemble me, and have my particular physical and mental attributes. Alternatively, if I was to move to Africa and have children there with africans, my particular physical and mental type will not appear again, because even though my genetics is in the population, it is too different from the genetics of the population to allow random recombination to recreate another me.

Therefore, what I propose, is that even though we categorize members into a racial grouping by physical appearance, the only true practical application of a racialist ideology, is one which acknowledges the need for constancy of race, and defines members as belonging based on their ability to keep the race constant.
On a side now, that even though there is a "European" race, this would include many non-europeans as well.

[Gorilla]

Technically, members of a race are capable of recreating members of the same race, in the same way, that a certain variety of plant, can only continue to exist, if members of that variety are bred together. What this means, is that when you mix two caucosoids, you get another caucosoid, and you can continue this ad infinitum. Mix a caucasoid with a negro, and you no longer get a caucosoid, the original elements are lost.

To give a clearer example, if we are talking about the European race (a sub race of caucasians), then we would define as European, anyone capable of having offspring that fill within the European type, or more succintly, and two people who are capable of ha
ving children that resemble both parents. Therefore, a Northern and Southern European are of the same race, because despite the differences in pigmentation, the children, and grandchildren, will still retain both the nordic and southern European features. The overall phenotype of members of a particular race therefore do not really change over time and no particular traits are lost. Mix a nordic and an African, and you can never hope to recreate the nordic type. Mix a European and a dark Indian, and you do not get another European type, but rather somewhere in between.

Therefore, using this definition, as long as I stay within my race, future members will resemble me, and have my particular physical and mental attributes. Alternatively, if I was to move to Africa and have children there with africans, my particular physical and mental type will not appear again, because even though my genetics is in the population, it is too different from the genetics of the population to allow random recombination to recreate another me.


The reason that in general 'darker' genes tend to show dominance is a product of new mutations being recessive, in that if you had a child with a negroe, the resultant child would be essentially a negroe in appearance as your partner would be missing the more recent mutations present on both sides of your parents lineage, manifested in your visible phenotype. The negroes also have a variety of recessive mutations (not all are visible), not present in our 'white gene pool', (if you could call white people of various ethnicites taking another 'white' partner a 'gene pool'), as a consequence of remaining isolated from us, and us from them, for a given period of time.

Following your logic, are you suggesting:

#We started out as whites, and the negroes must be kept out to preserve us?

#Or are you of the belief that we started out as africans, then turned white over tens of thousands of years?

It is my belief that we started out as africans tens of thousands of years ago, and that as a consequence of this, an african/anything cross will almost always be in appearance a negroe, owing to the older dominant genes being present in non-africans.

It is true that most genetic diversity present in Homo Sapiens can be found in africans, but my response to that is that there is also more genetic diversity found in one tribe of chimpanzees than in the whole human species.

I also believe that mixing willy-nilly increases genetic diversity, but not necessarily phenotypic diversity, and also leads to an increase in chromosome number, whilst keeping things 'pure', to use a term, leads to a reduction in genetic diversity, and over time, a shrinkage in chromosome number.

[Kodos]

I'll put just about everyone in Europe in this category except the Portugeese and some Sicilians... who I lump in more with Indians and Persians( technically caucasoid but not "white").

Perun isn't it :D.

[Alvo]

You used a word to define itself. ;)

To reply to your post: I agree that the word white has most significance in the USA, but here in Europe the white race as a separate concept has a meaning too I found.

Do you mind explaining that, please. I'm curious.

[Alvo]

White race?

Well, I'd say the White race are the ones who left Africa ages ago and migrated to the Middle East and parts of Asia and Europe and, through a long evolutionary process, adapted to those geographic cold climate, mild weather areas, lost their skin pigmentation and became what we call CAUCASOID. However, the truth is that underneath we are all the same.

[brigadier Biggles]

what about diseases that only affect certain races/ethnicities ?, the bone structure is different too blacks have thicker bones to europeans in some places and vice versa, skull sizes are different (this is between 2 european subraces but its good enough)..http://i4.tinypic.com/10ok8xc.jpg

i lack the knowledge to explain more but theres more to it than "underneath we are all the same".

[Jimbo Gomez]

Do you mind explaining that, please. I'm curious.


The USA part should be obvious. In Europe, the natives refer to themselves first and foremost by their nationality (hasn't been mixed up like in the USA), but here too it is obvious that people feel more kinship to fellow white Europeans from another nation than to brown wogs.

[IlluSionS667]

There is no such thing as a "white race". "white" people consist of several races, such as Nordics, Alpines and Mediterraneans. Each folk is a unique mix of these races, some more pure than others.

Immigration countries such as the US and Australia don't really know the concept of folk or race as it exists in other countries, so I guess that's why you speak of the "white race", which in reality is nothing but a bunch of ethnic groups and mixtures of those groups distinguishable from others by means of appearance and cultural aspects.


It is true that most genetic diversity present in Homo Sapiens can be found in africans, but my response to that is that there is also more genetic diversity found in one tribe of chimpanzees than in the whole human species.

I also believe that mixing willy-nilly increases genetic diversity, but not necessarily phenotypic diversity, and also leads to an increase in chromosome number, whilst keeping things 'pure', to use a term, leads to a reduction in genetic diversity, and over time, a shrinkage in chromosome number.

In the first paragraph, you imply that there is sufficient diversity within a small group of individuals to maintain genetic diversity, yet in the second you implicitly disagree with that. Make a choice.

Further, it is false to state that mixing leads to greater diversity. It just leads to mediocracy and an eventual loss of diversity, since traits inherent to certain ethnic groups get lost through the mixing. Mixing also tends to lead to ugliness, as is obvious by comparing folks that are highly racially mixed with folks that have known only very little mixing throughout history, regardless of what races we're talking about.

[nooneatall]

I define White as anyone who is 90%+ Europoid and who subscribes to what consider to be traditional European values i.e. not Islamic values.

[Fenrisulfr]

Ugh, excuse me, but whats all this talk about the White race???




There is only one race, the Human Race!


:o

[Mackie]

Ugh, excuse me, but whats all this talk about the White race???

There is only one race, the Human Race!


:o

Nope, humans are a species.

As for how I define white? I usually tend to go by 'look white, act white, are white' and if a person has 80%+ of european ancestry, the person is white.

[themistocles]

I've noticed many racists consider ideological purity as a requisite to whiteness. For example, a non-racist white is a kike or a nigger.

[Apologist]

Civil discussion only please. Different people obviously have very different definitions of it, so let's compare those.

The white reason: The descendents of those original tribesmen who appeared in Europe a hundred or so years prior to the fall of Rome, particularly those tribesman who crossed the Caucuses near the Danube prior to the advance of the Huns. IE, the French, the British, the Irish, the Germans, the Swiss, etc.

[Fenrisulfr]

I also dislike the label "Indo-European" to describe Aryans or White Europeans.

That term excludes Hungarians, Finns, and Estonians, as their dialects are from the Finno-Ugric language.

[Hrolf Kraki]

I'd consider all people of pure European origin to be white, especially Occidental. Outside of this could be debatable. I consider Russians to be white of course, but I'm not so sure about other Asian nations bordering Russia. I have seen Armenians that I would consider white and some that are definitely not white. But those Armenians are most likely mixed with another Asian ethnicity. Also, something that I've always pondered is Eastern Russia. Are these people the same as the people living in Moscow? I know very little about Eastern Russia. What is everyone's thoughts on the Saami people? I wouldn't consider them to be white, but more closely related to the Inuit people.

[Apologist]

I also dislike the label "Indo-European" to describe Aryans or White Europeans.

That term excludes Hungarians, Finns, and Estonians, as their dialects are from the Finno-Ugric language.

"Indo European" denotes that Europeans probably came from the area near or at India. That said, Indo European perfectly describes the Aryan.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I would define "white" as being all caucasians except for the middle east. With jews, it depends on the individual jew.

With all due respect, religion and ideology should have nothing do with it. If you are a liberal negro-lover with white dna, you're still white. You may not be a friend of the white race but you are still genetically white. Eminem is white. Whether or not he likes it. Even some jews are white. Whether or not they like it.

[Kriger]

I tend to look at the White controversy much as Kane does. It is important to remember that we all are descended from our very distant ancestors in time, which really has nothing to do with Africa. That is a whole 'nother story. It really bothers me when I see good White people arguing about the superiority/inferiority within the White race. That is getting into useless controversy concerning the various cultures found within the White race. It is the same with religious beliefs. There are many different religions to be found within the White race. Too many times we become bogged down with our differences. I catch myself doing these things. Those with lower IQs are still White. White is a way of being. It is not a religion, it is not a culture, it is not a nationality, it is not an income level. It is a way of being. It is not acting like a member of the black culture, it is not acting like a member of any culture or whatever. It is not based on lies or cheating or fraud or capitalism or whatever. It is not based on religion or political affiliations. It is based upon a set of values that we try to uphold and honor. White people who act like another race or culture are not White in their heart, their soul, or their mind. They may be "White", but they would rather be something else. One does not have to hate blacks to be White. One does not have to hate other Whites to be White. One does not have to hate Christians to be White. Where's Albion?

[Northern_Paladin]

Most Northern and Central Europeans are White. Southern Europeans can be White if they act White and look White. Some Southern Europeans look like they came from Iraq or Pakistan so I would consider them Caucasoid but not White. Some Southern Europeans do look White and act white so I would consider these people White. Northern Italians for example.

Eastern Europeans. Are White, too for the most part. I don't consider most Jews White because I can spot one for across the room. It's the nose.:D Some Jews I'd consider White though. People who have to tell me their Jewish I consider White. That isn't very often because I can spot Levatine traits most of the time. I guess what I'm trying to say is the Jews with straight noses eyes that aren't so closely spaced together and black bush eyebrows I consider White. Like I said most Jews look like Jews. The ones that don't have less Middle Eastern blood and more European blood.

Caucasoid would be the root race of the white race.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

A white person is a pure caucasian, a caucasian who as no detectable amounts of negroid, mongolian, or native Australian blood.

[Berianidze]

I still can't help but thinking of Caucasian as one who comes from the Caucuses (Armenian, Azerbaijani, Georgian, etc.), although I know, especially in America, this term does not exclusively include these groups.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I think most normal people, as in non-wn people, consider Georgians like Josef Stalin to be white. They consider Aremenians to be white. Their may have been a backlash with the "know-nothing" movement to certain white nationalities, but they were still white nationalities.

[Berianidze]

I think most normal people, as in non-wn people, consider Georgians like Josef Stalin to be white. They consider Aremenians to be white. Their may have been a backlash with the "know-nothing" movement to certain white nationalities, but they were still white nationalities.
Not all Caucasians (meaning peoples from the Caucuses) have the swarthy Med look either. Armenians and Azerbaijanis are typically darker, but Georgians come in a wide variety from dark/swarthy to blond/red hair and light-coloured eyes. (I have very fair features for a Georgian, and my brother has blond hair).

[Northern_Paladin]

For me White means Northern European.
Ethnic White means the periphery groups that are somewhat related to Northern Europeans.
And Caucasian is a broad classification that includes everyone who has Caucasian characteristics from Western China to Spain.

[streetfightergirl]

the "white race" is basically Europe minus Bosnia and Albania. Bosnians and Albanians are incompatible with european culture unless they reject their moslem culture. However despite there being a "white race" I feel it is impossible to have pan-europeanism unity. Every time I see some nordicist go off on how southern euros are moors/niggers/jews/etc. I realize more and more that such a unity is impossible due to all the ignoramouses out there. Yes its very possible we southern euros have foreign blood if you count five plus centuries back but the same can be said for northern euros. It's all a big "cock fight"... the "whiter than thou" shit is pretty revolting. Which is why I don't believe in any sort of movement. Anyone who needs to see that such a movement doesn't work could just look at VNN.

The Caucasoid race are basically caucasoids who have little to neglible mixture with mongoloid and negroid races. Think Diablo's Pan-Aryanism. That's basically the "collective" Caucasoid race.
well sicilians look more like albanians and bosnians than swedes so I consider them more my kin than any swede

[Mackie]

I define it by one word; 'Europe'.

[Liberal Lefty]

After seeing a picture on this forum I remembered this thread.

I would class these two people as being just as caucasoid as eachother.

http://i13.tinypic.com/2q00sk0.jpg

[Holly]

Those with no non white genetics belong to the white race.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Those with no non white genetics belong to the white race.


In other words: only white people are white. Very helpful. :p

[Holly]

In other words: only white people are white. Very helpful. :p


You are welcome ! So at times a complex answer is not needed. People ask me all of the time, Ok racist what is a white person and that is what I tell them, someone with no trace of non white genes. Simple und true.

[Arminius]

I would class these two people as being just as caucasoid as eachother.

I would happen to agree. They both belong to the caucasoid subspecies.

[Crusader]

Here's an excellent definition of "what is White?"

www.whiterenegade.com/white.html

Tell me what you think.

[B-Pep]

Here's an excellent definition of "what is White?"

www.whiterenegade.com/white.html

Tell me what you think.

That's interesting. I wonder though, why isn't a person whose fathers father or mothers mother non-white? I've seen a few people who are like that and are extremely white-looking (especially here in NYC, where lots of race-mixing occurs). I think DNA tests and other things are a bit much, anyone who frequents European people knows what a white person looks like. This could only really work in America, because in Europe people will look at this as a dumb idea.

[Crusader]

That's interesting. I wonder though, why isn't a person whose fathers father or mothers mother non-white? I've seen a few people who are like that and are extremely white-looking (especially here in NYC, where lots of race-mixing occurs). I think DNA tests and other things are a bit much, anyone who frequents European people knows what a white person looks like.


The reason I put emphasis on direct maternal and paternal lines is because of mtDNA and Y chromosomes. A person's mtDNA is only passed from mother to child. Y chromosomes are only passed from father to child. Women can only pass on their mtDNA. Men can only pass on their Y chromosome. Y chromosomes and mtDNA are carried on for countless generations. I prefer that mtDNA and Y chromosomes are consistent with the race that the individual appears to be.

Besides, only a female who's mother's mother is non-White is not White and only a male who's father's father is non-White is not White.

This could only really work in America, because in Europe people will look at this as a dumb idea.

I agree. This rule is more geared toward North and South America.

Europe is the original homeland of the White race. Therefore Europe should be a White's only Continent were only White people are accepted as citizens.

[B-Pep]

The reason I put emphasis on direct maternal and paternal lines is because of mtDNA and Y chromosomes. A person's mtDNA is only passed from mother to child. Y chromosomes are only passed from father to child. Women can only pass on their mtDNA. Men can only pass on their Y chromosome. Y chromosomes and mtDNA are carried on for countless generations. I prefer that mtDNA and Y chromosomes are consistent with the race that the individual appears to be.

Besides, only a female who's mother's mother is non-White is not White and only a male who's father's father is non-White is not White.

I think it should be more like it was in NS Germany. Instead of over-doing it with genetic testing we should take every one of these mixed-race people on a case to case basis, to see if they encompass the Aryan spirit and are more or less Aryan on the outside. Under your system someone who has a male grandparent 5-6 generations ago who is non-white...is not white?

[John Smith]

www.whiterenegade.com/white.html



From the link:

"If you're 1/8th non-white, and 7/8th White, in most cases you're White. The exceptions to this would be a male who's great grandfather along the direct paternal line was non-white, or a female who's great grandmother along the direct maternal line was non-white. In fact a female who is 1/16th, 1/32nd or 1/64th non-White along the direct maternal line may still be considered mixed. However, their male children would be considered White. The same applies to males who are 1/16th, 1/32nd or 1/64 non-White along the direct paternal line. However, their female children would be considered White"

So someone who has one non- Caucasoid ancestor out of eight, but whose paternal and maternal line is directly from a Caucasoid group, is not considered mixed race, but yet an individual who has one non- Caucasoid ancestor out of 64, but whose maternal line, or, and much less likely, through the paternal line, is directly from a non- Caucasoid group, is considered mix? I'm sorry but that makes no sense. One has more non- Caucasoid admixture than the other, but gets a pass over the person who has least?

1/8 = 12.5%
1/64 = 1.5625%

[Crusader]

From the link:


So someone who has one non- Caucasoid ancestor out of eight, but whose paternal and maternal line is directly from a Caucasoid group, is not considered mixed race, but yet an individual who has one non- Caucasoid ancestor out of 64, but whose maternal line, or, and much less likely, through the paternal line, is directly from a non- Caucasoid group, is considered mix? I'm sorry but that makes no sense. One has more non- Caucasoid admixture than the other, but gets a pass over the person who has least?

1/8 = 12.5%
1/64 = 1.5625%

If the female's non-White ancestor is along the direct maternal line, she still carries that critical non-White mtDNA strand that she will pass on to her children. If she marries a White man, only the male children would be considered White since the female children would still have that alien mtDNA strand.

Were as a person who is 1/8th non-White, but the non-White ancestor is not on the direct maternal or paternal line, any alien mtDNA or Y-chromosomes are gone and small amount of non-White genetics can then be breed out.

What I've done is strike a perfect balance between upholding the sanctity of the White race and being fair to people who may have some small amounts of non-White add mixer but who look and act White.

[B-Pep]

If the female's non-White ancestor is along the direct maternal line, she still carries that critical non-White mtDNA strand that she will pass on to her children. If she marries a White man, only the male children would be considered White since the female children would still have that alien mtDNA strand.

Were as a person who is 1/8th non-White, but the non-White ancestor is not on the direct maternal or paternal line, any alien mtDNA or Y-chromosomes are gone and small amount of non-White genetics can then be breed out.

What I've done is strike a perfect balance between upholding the sanctity of the White race and being fair to people who may have some small amounts of non-White add mixer but who look and act White.

You're telling me a white man who is 63/64ths white but has a distant relative who was male that was not white and happens to have a long paternal line is less white than whiteish man who is 3/4ths and doesnt have this issue?

You're equation is extremely illogical, it's not a good idea at all. It would discard lots of good Aryans. I agree with letting in white-looking 3/4ths declare themselves white, but that shold just be a general rule. If someone acts like an Aryan, looks like an Aryan, and fights for what is Aryan, then he is an Aryan.

[Crusader]

You're telling me a white man who is 63/64ths white but has a distant relative who was male that was not white and happens to have a long paternal line is less white than whiteish man who is 3/4ths and doesnt have this issue?

This scenario is possible, but unlikely. This is because of the fact that in the new world, 100, 200 to 300 years ago, the vast majority of miscegenation between Whites and non-Whites consisted of a White male with a non-White female. Therefore very few predominately White males would be excluded as a result of the maternal/paternal line rule. The unfortunate flip side is that there would be some predominately White women that might be excluded as a result of this rule. Although as long as these women just had sons, they could fly under the radar.



You're equation is extremely illogical, it's not a good idea at all. It would discard lots of good Aryans. I agree with letting in white-looking 3/4ths declare themselves white, but that shold just be a general rule. If someone acts like an Aryan, looks like an Aryan, and fights for what is Aryan, then he is an Aryan.

My idea is an alternative to some of the more hardcore purists who want to exlude just about anyone with any type of mixture. On this Stormfront poll, http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=320836 65% of respondents favor the exlusion of anyone with so much as a drop of non-White blood, 75% draw the line at 1% or less non-White blood. I feel this is too extreme, but this setiment definately exists. Al I've done is meet the hardcore purst and the more liberal people of this issue in the middle. This in the way that I'm hardcore only on the specific maternal and paternal lines and liberal in all other areas. The liberals on this specific issue think I'm too hardcore, wereas the purists think I'm way too liberal. I believe I'm right on the mark.

[Osmium14]

Taken from the White Nationalist Position Statements: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=223388

Position Statement Zero

CONCERNING THE DEFINITION OF "WHITE" AND "WHITE NATIONALIST"

Proposition zero. A White person is a human being of solely native European ancestry; or a human being who, if they have non-European antecedents, is nonetheless of a physical and genetic makeup that is within the range typical of people of solely European ancestry; or, the child of two Whites.

[Brechun]

You guys do realize that terms like dinaric, borreby etc. were all discounted by Coon himself right?

[Jim West]

On defining who is to be considered white:

http://www.wardkendall.com/header-bars-for-each-section/article-2-bar.gif

Any North American individual whose root ancestry is originally of European stock is qualified to be considered white, as commonly defined by that term in Western society. Qualification will be based upon commonly accepted Caucasian physical characteristics, ranging from those typically found among Nordid, Alpinid, and Mediterranid Europeans, from blue-eyed, to green-eyed, to brown-eyed, from fair-haired, to medium-haired, to dark-haired, all stretched along a vast continuum of complexions commonly found throughout Northern, Central, and Southern Europe.

On rare occasion, these same physical characteristics may be found within individuals from beyond the traditional borders of Europe and Russia, and, under these specific circumstances, said individuals would thus qualify for inclusion as white.

In addition, those of European ancestry from the former European colonies of Africa, South America, Asia, New Zealand, and Australia now living in North America would, of course, be qualified for membership, as well as those from Europe and Russia itself.

Let it be further stated that some whites may have traces of non-European ancestry that, nonetheless, will be permissible to a degree and thus wisely ignored, provided said traces do not, upon reasonable examination by any random observer, cause such an observer to immediately and unequivocally perceive such an individual as being of clearly mixed-race ancestry. This rule would apply to those whites with slight traces of American Indian blood, or other non-white blood, including Jewish blood, provided that such traces are not visually evident in said individual.

Admittedly, this method of inclusion/exclusion is not inviolate in accuracy, but, generally speaking, it can be stated to a large degree of certainty that whites know other whites when they see them, just as Mongoloid Asians know other Mongoloid Asians and Negroid Africans know other Negroid Africans. If, on the other hand, a stray individual of questionable racial pedigree should, on rare occasion, make it into our racial family, it is of no more significance to our overall racial health than when the waters of the Atlantic merge and blend and coalesce along the outer edges of the Pacific; in neither case will such superficial contact significantly effect the greater body of the entity it touches, and that is all that matters. So, let us not quibble from here on about these peripheral matters, and henceforth agree, as united white nationalists, to set them aside.

Finally, let us unite in the goal of improving the white race through genetics and science, to further refine what we are both physically and mentally, so that we may one day become greater yet, until our destiny is without limit, and the Stars above truly lie within our grasp.

[Janus]

Those of northern European ancestry are "white".

[Nemo]

Those of northern European ancestry are "white".

Not all of them, their are people of Northern ancestry that have some non-white blood, unless you believe in fairy tales

Southern boy! you still repeating the same old lies again...

[Nemo]

For me White means Northern European.

That's all bogus nordicist bull crap, being from NE does not make you genetically whiter then any one else in Europe, NE did not live in isolation, their were always non-whites living there and their was race mixing, the wars that broUght black American soldiers to Europe also that left a lot of off spring, the mixing with the jews that brought Semitic blood in their gene pool, and the ranting rage of ATTILA THE HUN WHO FUCKED HIS WAY THROUGH THE NORTH, pure my ass, stop living in wonder land will ya.

[Ravenheart]

White: Of Germanic or kindred European heritage.

That seems sufficiently flexible yet limited to be both politically viable and racially relevant nowadays.

[Janus]

Not all of them, their are people of Northern ancestry that have some non-white blood, unless you believe in fairy tales... Lapps are not originally from northern Europe.Southern boy! you still repeating the same old lies again... "You can not teach an old dog new tricks." ;)

[Janus]

...being from NE does not make you genetically whiter then any one else in Europe... Can you post evidence that supports that assertion? :)

FWIW: "World Haplogroups Maps (http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroupsMaps.pdf)"

[Nemo]

Can you post evidence that supports that assertion? :)

FWIW: "World Haplogroups Maps (http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroupsMaps.pdf)"

Sub- Saharan admixture in Europe:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Saharan_DNA_admixture_in_Europe

[Janus]

...Saharan admixture in Europe...Did you read the rest of the article?The amount of Black (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Black_people) admixture in Europe today ranges from a few percent in the Iberian Peninsula (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Iberian_Peninsula) to almost nil around the Baltic (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Baltic_region). It seems to show a decreasing cline from the Southwest (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Ordinal_directions) to the Northeast (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Ordinal_direction), which corresponds with the areas most affected by the African slave trade (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/African_slave_trade) or the Moorish (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Moors) (North Africa (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/North_Africa)) expansion.

[...]

According to a summary study by Pereira et al. 2005 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16201138&dopt=Abstract), sub-Saharan mtDNA L (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Haplogroup_L1_%28mtDNA%29) haplogroups (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Haplogroup) were found at rates of 0.62% in a German (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Germans)-Danish (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Danish_people) sample (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Sample_%28statistics%29), 1% in the British (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/United_Kingdom), 3.83% in Iberians (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Iberian_Peninsula) (Portuguese (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Portuguese_people) and Spanish (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Spanish_people)), 2.38% in Albanians (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Albanians), 2.86% in Sardinians (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Sardinia) and 0.94% in Sicilians (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Sicily).
Another study by Gonzalez et al. 2003 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12627534&query_hl=2) found L haplogroups at rates of 0.1% in Scotland (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Scotland), 0.4% in England (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/England), 0.7% in North (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Geography_of_Germany) Germany (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Germany), 1.4% in France (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/France), 2.9% in Galicia (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Galicia_%28Spain%29), 2.2% in Northern (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Norte%2C_Portugal) Portugal (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Portugal), 4.3% in Central Portugal (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Centro%2C_Portugal), and 8.6% in Southern Portugal (Alentejo (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Alentejo) and Algarve (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Algarve)) (note that these figures do not count the L3 lineage (http://www.thephora.net/wiki/Haplogroup_L3_%28mtDNA%29), which may be of ancient introduction and so remains ambiguous). For comparison, sub-Saharan mtDNA runs 21.8% in North Africa. Read the sources that were cited. ^ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Saharan_DNA_admixture_in_Europe#_ref-2) Cruciani et al. 2004 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?holding=npg&cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15042509&dopt=Abstract), Flores et al. 2004 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15280900&query_hl=13&itool=pubmed_docsum), Brion et al. 2005 (http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/112139846/ABSTRACT), Brion et al. 2004 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.forsciint.2005.06.002), Rosser et al. 2000 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11078479&dopt=Abstract), Semino et al. 2004 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15069642), and DiGiacomo et al. 2003 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12927125&dopt=Abstract)

[EdwardSmith]

I have to say that I am disappointed by the non-informativeness of the previous answers.

'White race' is a crude synonym of 'european race' (i.e. the europoid subspecies;
homo sapien europus). 'Caucasoid' is a somewhat more general term, which includes both
europeans and the surrounding people (such as middle-easterners) that have some similar
traits. I will focus mainly on europeans here.

Aside from the common ancient ancestry of europeans,
there are various european-typical traits that define the european race. They are:

1. geneticly belong to y-haplogroup R or IJ, and mt-haplogroup HV/H/V, J/T, or U/K
2. pale skin
3. hair that is brown, blond, or red, rather than black
4. hair that is wavy or nearly-straight, rather than curly like negroids
5. nose that is thin, with a relatively full nose bridge
6. face that is not flat (a mongoloid trait)
7. lack of an epicanthic eye fold (a mongoloid / khoisan trait)
8. lack of prognathism of the lower face (a negroid / australoid trait)
9. an IQ above 90 (as distinguished from most other races, except east asians)
10. relatively strong focus and perfectionism (as distinguished from negroids)

There is great diversity among europeans in the trait of fundamental character,
so there is no such trait on the list.

Due to racial mixing throughout both recent and ancient history, it is unlikely that there
is a substantial percentage of europeans that are literally '100 percent european',
but a large portion of europeans may be over 90% european.

As for the aryan race, the european race that created the indo-european language
and passed it on to the other races, it constitutes only a small portion of the european
gene pool. Aryans have various additional distinctive phenotypic traits.

Some people say that a small band of chimpanzees has more genetic diversity than the
entire human race. That is a deception that is based on the fact that a small group of
chimpanzees, as compared to the human race, has more random non-phenotypic
genetic variation. That is because humans have evolved rapidly from relatively small
beginning populations, and have adapted to their particular environments. That is
positive-feedback selection, which causes a high ratio of phenotypic diversity to
random non-phenotypic diversity. In contrast, chimpanzees have been subjected to
negative-feedback selection, which preserves the phenotype while accumulating random
changes that do not alter the phenotype.

[Dragonair]

Europeans, Meds, and also Iranians after some arguments with pan-aryanists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli
I think Disraeli is a good example. Was he white? I say yes.

[Ariadne]

Ask yourself if you could star in a Mexican soap opera.

If the answer is yes, you're probably white.

[Starr]

Quite simply, a person who is of full European ancestry or very close. By very close I simply mean that I would not automatically exclude someone who looks and identifies as white, yet has a small amount of non white ancestry(asian or native american for example) excluding sub saharan African.

[JacktheNack]

In the broadest sense, Caucasoid is synonymous with white. However, we have important divisions within the white race. Nordics, Mediterraneans, and Alpines, for example. When us national socialists say "aryan," we mean northern european. We do not mean white, european, caucasoid, or anything else.

[harjit]

The major races are Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid and Australoid.

Caucasoids include many non-European ethnicities, in fact nearly everyone from Turkey to Bangladesh, and in most North African countries as well.

There is no "white race" per se. We can however say there are white people, and have the term applied exclusively to Europeans and their descendants.

[Sandee]

The major races are Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid and Australoid.

Caucasoids include many non-European ethnicities, in fact nearly everyone from Turkey to Bangladesh, and in most North African countries as well.

There is no "white race" per se. We can however say there are white people, and have the term applied exclusively to Europeans and their descendants.

I've heard the term Europids being used (Proto-Europids).

http://www.freewebs.com/caucasoid_caucasian/caucasoidrace.htm

[Germanic Ensemble]

There is no "white race" per se. We can however say there are white people, and have the term applied exclusively to Europeans and their descendants.

That's ridiculous, there are many Caucasoid sub races that are entirely White. Are they not members of a White race, per se?

[harjit]

That's ridiculous, there are many Caucasoid sub races that are entirely White. Are they not members of a White race, per se?
I wasn't considering sub races but yes, sure.

[President Barbicane]

How to define the white race is an interesting question. For a long time I considered all Caucasians (including South Asians) to be 'white', but recent genetic studies have made me question that belief. It appears that South Asians and Middle Easterners form distinct genetic clusters from Europeans. This would support the idea that people of European descent really do constitute a race, and South Asians must be put into their own race.

The only problem with that study is that it made no attempt to quantify the genetic differences between clusters. Previously L. L. Cavalli-Sforza did quantify the genetic differences between populations, and he found that South Asians are as close genetically to Europeans as Filipinos are to Southern Chinese (Caucasians generally were closer to each other genetically than most other races; Cavalli-Sforza proposed it was because populations from all of Europe were forced into small areas during the ice ages. This is possible, but pure speculation). If Filipinos and Southern Chinese are considered to be in the same race -- which makes sense to me -- then South Asians must be considered to be in the same 'race' as whites (if purely genetic categories are used).

Anyway, if South Asians are the same 'race' as Europeans, then what do the more recent (and more complete, i.e. using more genes) studies showing that South Asians cluster with whites mean? It means that, although genetic differences between Europeans and South Asians are small enough for them to be considered the same race, they do cluster. A good term, I think, for this cluster would be 'sub-race'. I would therefore define whites as the European sub-race of the Caucasian race. I think this definition of 'white' fits with its historical use in the United States very well.

Interestingly, Jewish people do not cluster with Europeans, possibly because they originally came from Israel and would therefore cluster with other Middle Easterners (like Palestinians, but that's a separate discussion). By my definition of white as a sub-race of the Caucasian race, Jewish people are not white.

So there you have it. Whites are people who can trace their descent to Europe. The white sub-race does not include South Asians, Jews or other Middle Easterners, although these people would be in the same race as whites, but different sub-races.

[KerguelenExileDissident]

Generally people from Geographical Europe for the most part but not in every case are white. The problem is some people complain all the different types of white and if you can categorize someone as white. Generally if you wanted to be technical you could say there is hardly and pure races left and you would categorize by levels of whiteness, saying thats turks are more white than Iraqis, scandinavians are whiter than germans and Germans are more white than Sicilians.

Generally I consider someone white if they at least 90% white, and that pretty much includes all of geographical Europe except mabe Turkish part and Kazakhistan, Azerbajian.

[Transcendentally Challenged]

By pigmentation, lack of epicanthic fold, hair texture and skull shape.

That's not really difficult.

[Gorilla]

There may be several or many types of genome as regards weight. Genome size/weight difference may be expressed in multiple characteristics in both individuals and other measurement scales.

No opinion any further than this

[KevinDeBurgh]

I would define the white race as a social construction that has different subjective meanings to different people. The term 'white race' has no meaning in objective reality. I would abolish the term "white race" in favor of the term "Europid race" with all it's correspondent sub-races. This would clear up all confusions most likely. The sooner we abolish the retarded Americanism : the 'white race' the better. :ameritard:

[Joe McCarthy]

The use of white as a racial description long precedes the US; the fantasies of Theodore Allen notwithstanding.

[KevinDeBurgh]

The use of white as a racial description long precedes the US; the fantasies of Theodore Allen notwithstanding.

Actually the term 'White American' which I think is used interchangeably with the term 'white race' have their own peculiar meaning in the USA :

"White American (often used interchangeably with "Caucasian American"[3] and within the United States simply "white"[4]) is an umbrella term officially employed by the United States Census Bureau, Office of Management and Budget and other U.S. government for the classification of United States citizens or resident aliens "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe,[5] the Middle East, or North Africa".[6] The US Census considers the write-in response of "Caucasian" or "Aryan" to be a synonym for white in their ancestry code listing.[7] German (23%), Irish (16%) and English Americans (13%) make up 52% of the "White" population. Included in the category are White Hispanics representing 8.11%.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American

[B]That is what I meant by Americanism. I don't think this definition has existed at any other time in history outside of America. For instance I think the FBI includes all Hispanic crime under the category of white crime. I think after reading this description that it should be very clear that it is very desirable to abolish the term 'white American' and to abolish the term 'white race' as well. The above wikipedia URL even includes a Jew Bette Middler as an example of a 'white American'. The term is obviously very flawed and to me it is completely meaningless.

[Joe McCarthy]

Naturally 'white American' would be peculiar to the US. As for 'white', it was used by Juvenal to distinguish racially between the common Roman and the hated 'blackamore' that he despised for mating with the Roman women he often trashed. Other examples could be cited, but that is the oldest I'm personally aware of.

[Mike Jahn]

By pigmentation, lack of epicanthic fold, hair texture and skull shape.

What are the skull shape differences between Alpine Whites and Asiatics? Madison Grant wrote that these were similar.

[Mike Jahn]

What is the skull shape of a typical Magyar? Aren't they originally from beyond the Ural mountains?

[KerguelenExileDissident]

Actutally this Haplogroup map is quite interesting. It shows R1a1 and R1b1 both signals of European being well represented in Uyghur populations, and a slight bit of R1a1 in modern chinese populations indicating Caucasian influence.

Also notice how diverse India is, amazing.

Interesting it also shows the contribution that Proto-negroids (australoids) gave to Populations in Americas and to some extent Asians

I don't know about genetic testing though, I think it's too difficult to really test because of other factors influencing genetics, we may not be able to exactly tell what a given population is based on their genes.

[Vessper]

I always defined the White race as people of European descent, which is the traditional definition. But now I have my doubts with some groups.
Are Armenians White? What about Georgians?
Thus I'm not sure.

Here in Argentina, traditionally, White meant people of European descent, but now few people know what race means at all. Americans complain about their racial census but we don't even have a proper one (I refuse to believe that we are 95% White, that number is just stupid).
The last real census here dates 1950, and in 1950 we were 90% White, that for sure. What I don't know is our current status, and logically illegal immigration must have reduced the percentage. That's why 95% is impossible.

[Ken]

I'll put just about everyone in Europe in this category except the Portugeese and some Sicilians... who I lump in more with Indians and Persians( technically caucasoid but not "white").


I don't know man, I've seen Portuguese who were without a shadow of a doubt what I personally would consider White. I agree with everything else though.

[Jett]

What defines the white race is what it is not.

[Flint Steel]

How would you define the white race? The caucasoid race?

Europeans. There is black and white and shades of grey, as you get further south in Europe negro and muslim influence is more obvious.

Southern Italy is not white.

Spain is not white.

Jews are not white even if they think they are by stealing some white blood.

[Ken]

Southern Italy is not white.

Never been to Southern Italy but I've lived amongst many Italian-Americans and most are White, some are not.

Spain is not white.

Having actually lived in Spain itself for 6 months, this statement is laughable at best. The majority of Spanish are White.

Jews are not white even if they think they are by stealing some white blood. :nopity:

Jews are a mixed bag.

[Philosopher]

The white race is the caucasian race consisting of many subtypes

Nordid types
Faellid types
Alpinid types
Medittaeranid types
Baltid types
Dinarid types
Indid types
Irano-Afghan/Iranid types

[Vessper]

No, that's the Caucasian race, as you already said.

The White race is just people of European descent, including every European.
I also believe that if you have some Arab blood there's no problem since Arabs are already Caucasoid, but having Negroid, Native American or Oriental blood is different.
But I'm not sure about this. I mean, I would love to think we are all pure and so, but I highly doubt it.

[Аникитос]

Quite simple if your racial type belongs to the European sub-races which were classified by the groups like National-Socialists as white your white in my opinion. But it can be much simpler if you look white, act white and have white ancestry in overwhelming percentage then your white.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Are Russians white (caucasoid)? Between the Uralids and the Tatar-Mongols, I'd say Russia is no more than 15% Slavic. Maybe very roughly Russia would be 40% white???? Very hard to judge. Now this takes us to another nation, the Finns.

Yup. On the Skytrain in Bangkok, in the lumber department at Home Depot in Kentucky....

You can spot a Finnish forehead and nose a mile away. No need to even listen to the accent. I ask them "are you from Finland?"

hahahahah and they have no idea why or how I know. Square forehead and protruding but low nose. Lots of "Russians" have this "Finnic" (Uralic?) low nose but not so much the square forehead.

"Booyakasha! Dem iz a bit racialistic, innit?" (sez Ali G)

Booyakasha is probably a play on the Hebrew word "bevakasha", meaning "please".

[Graves]

Severely lacking in melanin.

[Аникитос]

Are Russians white (caucasoid)? Between the Uralids and the Tatar-Mongols, I'd say Russia is no more than 15% Slavic. Maybe very roughly Russia would be 40% white???? Very hard to judge. Now this takes us to another nation, the Finns.

Yup. On the Skytrain in Bangkok, in the lumber department at Home Depot in Kentucky....

You can spot a Finnish forehead and nose a mile away. No need to even listen to the accent. I ask them "are you from Finland?"

hahahahah and they have no idea why or how I know. Square forehead and protruding but low nose. Lots of "Russians" have this "Finnic" (Uralic?) low nose but not so much the square forehead.

"Booyakasha! Dem iz a bit racialistic, innit?" (sez Ali G)

Booyakasha is probably a play on the Hebrew word "bevakasha", meaning "please".

Speak for yourself when you say 40% white... My DNA test showed 100% Caucasian.

[Get with the Pogrom™]

Speak for yourself when you say 40% white... My DNA test showed 100% Caucasian.

Y-chromasome tests were in in Wales (Anglesey), Ireland (Castlerea), Euskadi (=Basque Country), and I think Brittany.

What they found was that this Y-Chrom. in the so-called "Celtic" countries was almost identical to that of the Basque Country. This is already interesting. But what makes it more interesting is the this Y-Chrom. was almost identical to that of a Mongoloid tribe in Siberia, the Ket. The Ket live along the Yenisey I think.

I told a Basque woman once (before I knew about this DNA test). I think you Basques are part Mongoloid. She hated hearing that. But I knew from looks alone. Some have the thick black hair and the looks. The basques are pre-Celtic Cro-Magnons. Their word for "knife" has the word for "stone" in it (haiz).

Let's be honest. Even along the west coast of Europe, there is non-caucasian background. Imagine how much there is in Russia.

Nobody is 100% caucasian.

I'm not saying "Europeans are Caucasoids and Russians aren't. No statement like that. But come on, you can't tell me Russians look like their (European) neighbours.

Uralid, Baltid, Mongoloid....

Nu vot eto da. Ya ne skazal chto Russkie - chernozhopie. Prosto skazal chto nelzya dumat chto oni sto protsentov "belie". Eta tochno ne pravda. No u nas tozhe netu 100% "belogo" v Evrope.

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/regionalnews/content_objectid=13499034_method=full_siteid=50142_headline=-Are-we-the-progeny-of-stone-age-Siberians--name_page.html

I have met people from southwest Brittany who look like native Indians in Ontario. Even the diseases there are different.

[Аникитос]

Y-chromasome tests were in in Wales (Anglesey), Ireland (Castlerea), Euskadi (=Basque Country), and I think Brittany.

What they found was that this Y-Chrom. in the so-called "Celtic" countries was almost identical to that of the Basque Country. This is already interesting. But what makes it more interesting is the this Y-Chrom. was almost identical to that of a Mongoloid tribe in Siberia, the Ket. The Ket live along the Yenisey I think.

I told a Basque woman once (before I knew about this DNA test). I think you Basques are part Mongoloid. She hated hearing that. But I knew from looks alone. Some have the thick black hair and the looks. The basques are pre-Celtic Cro-Magnons. Their word for "knife" has the word for "stone" in it (haiz).

Let's be honest. Even along the west coast of Europe, there is non-caucasian background. Imagine how much there is in Russia.

Nobody is 100% caucasian.

I'm not saying "Europeans are Caucasoids and Russians aren't. No statement like that. But come on, you can't tell me Russians look like their (European) neighbours.

Uralid, Baltid, Mongoloid....

Nu vot eto da. Ya ne skazal chto Russkie - chernozhopie. Prosto skazal chto nelzya dumat chto oni sto protsentov "belie". Eta tochno ne pravda. No u nas tozhe netu 100% "belogo" v Evrope.

http://icnorthwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/regionalnews/content_objectid=13499034_method=full_siteid=50142_headline=-Are-we-the-progeny-of-stone-age-Siberians--name_page.html

I have met people from southwest Brittany who look like native Indians in Ontario. Even the diseases there are different.

There are some admixture in certain people but not all and saying Russians are 40% white... You are so wrong DNA testing in Moscow showed on average about 2% Mongoloid genes with certain individuals having more others having even non.

And of course there are some Europeans with non-white genes but it doesn't mean everyone is some mixed race mongrel. And there are Russian individuals which I could not distinguish from Western Europeans, and i'm well aware of modern and old antropologic classifications.

On general to many Russians have Eastern-Baltic influence however we still have our typical genetics which we should restore in the future. Preferably by selective breading. And so called Russians who are part Mongolian, Turk or any other non-white should be excluded from future Russia.

About my genetic make up, the test showed markers all over Europe with majority being concentrated around Eastern Ukraine. To my own knowledge my ancestors were all Russians ranging from all walks of life but mostly blue bloods and cossacks. Anyway most people in Europe have some sort of influence from other regions of Europe but it doesn't make them less white. Just makes them more diverse thats it.

P.S. Forgot to mention that the Kets may have descended from Dinglings who were white!

[Get with the Pogrom™]

But I wonder also about who the scientists are and what constitutes the label "caucasian", and what the Russian term for it is. I'm assuming it isn't being mixed up with the word "Kavkaz".

Yeah, Moscow is a mix, but obviously going further east...

2% mongoloid. Hmmm. Seems unlikely. I do agree many many Russians do look white, like Ukrainians. Some of those would actually be ethnic Ukrainians though, or partly.

Obviously Russians have a strong Scythian influence ("Skyfy").

I don't know, it's hard to label things with numbers too, especially when we probably can't just label sth "caucasian" with 100% fact anyway.

Russia is littered with all sorts of Finnic and other groups. Even "Moscow" is apparently a Finnic name.

Even east of the Urals, tons of "mongoloid" (for lack of a perhaps more accurate label) influence.

Mongoloid meaning by bone structure, not necessarily skin colour.

[IZVN]

Civil discussion only please. Different people obviously have very different definitions of it, so let's compare those.

The zenith of human evolution.

[Gregz]

There are some admixture in certain people but not all and saying Russians are 40% white... You are so wrong DNA testing in Moscow showed on average about 2% Mongoloid genes with certain individuals having more others having even non.


Russia is a European country even if it is some what estranged from Europe. R1b, haplogroup (70% of Europe) is only only found in about 5% of the Russian population. However R1b (Celtic-Indo-European) is a branch of R1a (Iranic-Scythian-Slavic).

In Europe, R1a - R1a1a sub-clade, is found at highest levels among peoples of Eastern European descent (Sorbs, Poles, Russians and Ukrainians; 50 to 65%).

The Europeans mitochondrial dna is indigenous to Europe. The Europeans Y chromosome on the other hand typical R, I and J2 haplogroups are all Western/Central Asian markers.

The Indo-Europeans where a semi-nomadic, Western Eurasians (Western/Central Asian) people. Who established cultural and ethnic ties with ancient Anatolian(Armenian)/Persian/Northern Mesopotamian and Northern Indian peoples.

However Indo-European/Indo-Iranic genetics have been scattered and are all over Northern Eurasia and Uralic, Hunnic, Turkic and Mongol people near all have a varying amount Indo-European of ancestry.

[Ernest]

Russia is Eurasian.

[Gregz]

Russia is Eurasian.

Russia is a European country and Europeans are a Eurasian race. :eurotard:

[Get with the Pogrom™]

I would say:

1. Russia is a Eurasian country.

2. Europeans are Eurasian.

3. Russians have more Asian in their Eurasian mix than Europeans.

By "Europeans" I mean, very very roughly, in this case, all countries west of the Russia-Belarus border.

Russia has Scythian (Indo-European / Aryan) background? Uh, yeah, of course. But not as much as say, Denmark, in my opinion.

Even Asiatic Kazakhs readily say the first people in Kazakhstan were white and they attribute the not-so-rare green eyes of what they call pure Kazakhs to this, and not always (recent) Russian influence. I have to say some pure Kazakhs look sort of part white.

And their language doesn't seem that Asian either. Originated in Mongolia and spoken by white people, they claim!

I know, many will say "don't mix DNA talk with languages!"

(I was in Kazakhstan very recently.)

[Get with the Pogrom™]

define the white race:

some say "race" might not be the right word.

but anyway:

protruding high nose. fairly deeply-set eyes. usually fairly white skin. usually light hair and eyes. males have a lot of facial hair.

Sth like that? U guys agree? I'm trying to avoid being "windbaggish"!

[Flavia]

It is hard to qualify since we are a race with a lot of biodiversity.


I would consider myself European, but I do not posses the deep set eyes most do. I am 1/2 Slav (serb and croat) and I have somewhat hooded eyes. However, others below do as well, and I would consider them European. Some of us "border" Europeans probably have more foreign admixuture from way back, but I do not think it makes us non European. I also do not have thin lips (from the Latin side) but I don't think that is standard anyway.

Some Europeans with hooded eyes:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6eonppuEMEo/SGp6ccD0A_I/AAAAAAAAAvc/yDYtYJGEMJw/s400/serbia+nazi+thug.jpg

http://therealmtoys.com/wordpressorg/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/blake-lively-400a0611.jpg

http://www.cosmicconservative.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/selma_blair.jpg

http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/tom-brady-male-model.jpg

Not sure about Taylor Swift- could she be Saami?
http://img2.timeinc.net/instyle/images/2008/GALLERY/11/112608_swift_400x400.jpg


Europeans with thick lips:

http://www.homorazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/james-besteman-lip.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Aqn6buy-pQs/TTZmG6GqAtI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/yC9gYdFB0no/s1600/%252C4.jpg

Hooded eyes AND thick lips! Sistah by another mistah-

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/2532730135_ddfb443de4.jpg

[Sovietamerican2]

Indians/Middle East/European/North African:vuvu:

[MsPhilosopher/Ashkandia]

Caucasian is a much easier term to define than white both biologically and anthropologically. White has more to do with ideology rather than anthropology or biology. Even so, the term has become so widely used that I use it myself all of the time. I am not use to saying caucasian just white but I may have to get into the habit of saying caucasian. I've noticed that on a few forums I've been shot down for saying I'm white.

I got shot down because I am not pure white so, therefore; I am not white. So ideologically, in order to be white you must be a pure caucasian from Europe. Is that all? No. Some nationalist groups say that sicilians are not white because they have black admixture while David Duke says that all European countries are white. So I guess whomever the king of nationalism is (hehehe) has the true and correct answer to that. Basically I'm confused because I told another famous nationalist that I am 3/4 white and 1/4 Indian and he said it doesn't matter. We aren't that petty this day and age.

[Ken]

Caucasian is a much easier term to define than white both biologically and anthropologically. White has more to do with ideology rather than anthropology or biology. Even so, the term has become so widely used that I use it myself all of the time. I am not use to saying caucasian just white but I may have to get into the habit of saying caucasian. I've noticed that on a few forums I've been shot down for saying I'm white.

I got shot down because I am not pure white so, therefore; I am not white. So ideologically, in order to be white you must be a pure caucasian from Europe. Is that all? No. Some nationalist groups say that sicilians are not white because they have black admixture while David Duke says that all European countries are white. So I guess whomever the king of nationalism is (hehehe) has the true and correct answer to that. Basically I'm confused because I told another famous nationalist that I am 3/4 white and 1/4 Indian and he said it doesn't matter. We aren't that petty this day and age.

http://i50.tinypic.com/jj34g1.jpg

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:hm:

[Saqqara]

Northern and central european types - They must have the corresponding facial characteristics that are readily observed.

It goes without saying that various ethnicities will have their own definitions of "white" as "white" is just a code word for I-would-prefer-my-relatives-and-descendants-to-breed-with-people-of-this-nationality-or-type. We cannot allow too many peripherals to be called white because that means they get their foot in the door.

Caucasoid encompasses most of the native inhabitants of Europe, India, Turkic parts of Asia, the Middle East, North Africa, and many of the colonists of Australia, South America, and North America.

[Gregz]

Turkic Asians outside of Anatolia or Russia (Western Eurasia) tend to be Caucasoid-Mongoloid hybrids. Caucasoids types are older than Mongoloids and gave rise to them. Caucasoid is a anthropometric classification based upon skull structure. All Caucasians have very ancient Eurasian Indic origins and the Caucasian appearance of East Africans for example is the result of neolithic, Eurasian back migration into Africa.

The caste system is of Indic origin.

varna, Sanskrit, any one of the four traditional social classes of India. Although the literal meaning of the word varna (Sanskrit: “colour”) once invited speculation that class distinctions were originally based on differences in degree of skin pigmentation between an alleged group of lighter-skinned invaders called “Aryans” and the darker indigenous people of ancient India, this theory has been discredited since the mid-20th century...

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/623520/varna

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/race-twig.gif

[Freya von Asgard]

http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/63024811.jpg

[Demi Lancer]

'The white race' is a social construct; only ethnicities and nations are real.

[Muhos]

'The white race' is a social construct; only ethnicities and nations are real.
"White" is an ethnicity. Nations are a social construct. Caucasian Race is ?

[Lieutenant Dan]

The white men of America can be defined with two words:

Stupid Faggots

They are faggots because they have not exterminated niggers yet and have let them breed with tens of millions of white women.

They are stupid because they lack the intelligence to observe that kikes are systematically annihilating them.

I could possible add the term 'babbling', stupid babbling faggots.

[Mikemikev]

"The White Race" is the historical population of Europe, which now extends across Russia and of course many other places.

The genetic cluster distinct from the Turkic and Semitic peoples is clear on the plot here (http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/01/genetic-map-of-west-eurasians.html).

The White Race exists because of the usual promotors of endogamy and barriers to external gene flow: Indo European language, Christian religion, geographic barriers.