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Old 08-04-2006, 08:29 PM
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In other words the Third Reich was not self-sufficient, it was a system totally dependent on Untermensch. It relied in large part on legions of Auslšnder for its industries. The Herrenvolk concept is an attempt to mirror the obnoxious Jewish as the "chosenism", being nothing more than a justification for parasitism and profit driven militarism in the guise of patriotism.
If you wish to be pejorative in your terminology. But since the alternative in this world is to be parasitized and profited from, some might prefer the militarists' traditional way of elevating oneself to nobility - being the conqueror instead of the conquered, the dominator instead of the dominated.

I take it, however, that as a virtuous goy, you cannot countenance domination - you must have justice and "freedom" for all...or some such vaguely-formulated meliorist ideals. Hence the Jews dominate you and the rest of us, for the general failure (which you have nicely illustrated, thank you) to understand the politico-economic facts of life in the most general terms.

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The common bond of Empires is plutocracy, not democracy.

And why am I not surprised that you fail to realize that the essence of "democracy" is plutocracy - that it is permanent government by money power, concealed by the sham of popular franchise. It has apparently also escaped you that this is the reason that the globalist plutocrats want "democracy" imposed upon all conquered territories.

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England was/is the most fiscally liberal European nation, France was the most socially liberal aka 'democratic'.
If you wish to appropriate the term for use other than that under discussion.
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Old 08-05-2006, 01:38 AM
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Aristocrats govern - they do not "work"
Why not convert to Judaism?

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And you will become many in a land flowing with milk and honey. This is what the Lord, the God of your fathers, has promised you.

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There will be big and beautiful cities which you did not build. Houses will be full of good things which you did not fill. There will be pools for keeping water which you did not dig, and grape vines and olive trees which you did not plant. You will eat and be filled.

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I gave you a land you did not work for. You live in cities you did not build. You are eating from vines and olive trees you did not plant.
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If you wish to be pejorative in your terminology.
I discarded the honorific amnion of your reptillian ideology and described it accurately, using NS jargon.
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But since the alternative in this world is to be parasitized and profited from, some might prefer the militarists' traditional way of elevating oneself to nobility - being the conqueror instead of the conquered, the dominator instead of the dominated.
After the Romans mainlined Jews into Eurasia they came to dominate this "traditional way", competition against Jewry in the capitalist-imperialist vein is futile.

"An organization of society which would abolish the preconditions for huckstering, and therefore the possibility of huckstering, would make the Jew impossible." - Karl Marx

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I take it, however, that as a virtuous goy, you cannot countenance domination - you must have justice and "freedom" for all...or some such vaguely-formulated meliorist ideals. Hence the Jews dominate you and the rest of us, for the general failure (which you have nicely illustrated, thank you) to understand the politico-economic facts of life in the most general terms.
Your reactionary hebraic mindset prevents you from accepting the fact that no people can ever out-Jew the Jews. Like the Jews you emulate you reject the illuminations of the two men whose ideas have nearly wiped out world Jewry: Christ and Marx. Many of their ideas look horrible on paper but in practice the humble belief systems of Christianity and Marxism have been the basis of the only Empires in history to ever pose serious threat to world Jewry.
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And why am I not surprised that you fail to realize that the essence of "democracy" is plutocracy - that it is permanent government by money power, concealed by the sham of popular franchise. It has apparently also escaped you that this is the reason that the globalist plutocrats want "democracy" imposed upon all conquered territories.
I am quite aware of the fact that "western" or "anglo" democracy has always been plutocracy, search my posts for "plutocracy+democracy"; Plutocracy is not the essence of democratic systems such as Democratic Centralism.
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If you wish to appropriate the term for use other than that under discussion.
You connected democracy with liberalism, the implication being a reference to social liberalism.
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Old 08-05-2006, 02:44 AM
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Why not convert to Judaism?
I prefer aristocracy to ecclesiocracy.

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After the Romans mainlined Jews into Eurasia they came to dominate this "traditional way", competition against Jewry in the capitalist-imperialist vein is futile.
You misunderstand that the "traditional way" is by forthright conquest of arms in establishment of nobility/aristocracy. You have merely blundered into confirming my point about democracy and plutocracy in the Roman adventure.

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Your reactionary hebraic mindset prevents you from accepting the fact that no people can ever out-Jew the Jews. Like the Jews you emulate you reject the illuminations of the two men whose ideas have nearly wiped out world Jewry: Christ and Marx. Many of their ideas look horrible on paper but in practice the humble belief systems of Christianity and Marxism have been the basis of the only Empires in history to ever pose serious threat to world Jewry.
This is laughable. It's a wash as between the effect of these superstitions in preserving and damaging Jewry. The Jewish War with pagan Rome killed and dispossessed a greater proportion of world Jewry than any other confrontation.

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I am quite aware of the fact that "western" or "anglo" democracy has always been plutocracy, search my posts for "plutocracy+democracy"; Plutocracy is not the essence of democratic systems such as Democratic Centralism.
"Democratic Centralism" is irrelevant and misleadingly-labelled in this context, since it is merely the internal party policy of, inter alia, a Leninist police state. Thus the history is as I depicted it, failing your pertinent objection, and the Strassers had nothing to offer but a distraction from what needed doing.

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You connected democracy with liberalism, the implication being a reference to social liberalism.
No, a reference to politico-economic liberalism.
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Old 08-05-2006, 03:11 AM
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I prefer aristocracy to ecclesiocracy.
The only thing Jews worship is money and they are certainly the best at governing parasitic states such as the one you so desire. Jews currently control both the largest neo-imperialist country and the only paleo-imperialist nation in the world. If any ethnic group besides Jews controls an Empire it is ipso facto not an Aristocracy.
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You misunderstand that the "traditional way" is by forthright conquest of arms in establishment of nobility/aristocracy.
Jews have done this and are the only ethnic group doing this at this moment, in Israel. Jews also have control over all American conquests of arms, a great personification of this was Wesley Clark.
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You have merely blundered into confirming my point about democracy and plutocracy in the Roman adventure.
The Jews didn't stream into Europe until the Empire had crushed Judea and created the Diaspora; the Empire led to the Jewish immigration, your point was refuted.
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This is laughable. It's a wash as between the effect of these superstitions in preserving and damaging Jewry. The Jewish War with pagan Rome killed and dispossessed a greater proportion of world Jewry than any other confrontation.
Yes, the bottleneck's "survivors" emerged more organized and were driven into Europe, that was real damaging for Jewry.
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"Democratic Centralism" is irrelevant and misleadingly-labelled in this context, since it is merely the internal party policy
It's democracy, neither plutocracy nor mobocracy.
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Old 08-05-2006, 06:00 AM
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@Gassedarbeiter:

1) Stalin's regime did not approximate democratic centralism...was this problematic?

2) Is it your position that the USSR did not harbor designs on Europe, and that German enmity towards the USSR was unjustified (strategically speaking)?
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Old 08-05-2006, 01:01 PM
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Legions of naturally defined aristocrats are going to save Western Civilization?

Why should any of us bother caring then, what happens to our communities, nations and peoples, then, if nature has already crowned an aristocracy to defend us and conquor our enemies?

Vanguardism has to be created by men who will it. Hitler did not believe in a classless society, or a just economy- or else he would have tamed the industrialists, generals, conglomerate land owners, etc.

Imagine 2 million armed, militant political soldiers forming a peoples army of white men in the United States. The leader of this movement makes a deal with the board members and CFO's + CEO's of AT&T, Chevron-Exxon-Shell-BP, Phillip Morris, Halliburton, Comcast, United-American-Delta airlines, Wal-Mart, etc. to allow them to keep their jobs and virtual monopolies in return for money and backing.

Those who oppose this sort of action = Strasserists, those who are for it = Hitlerists.

Being in a situation that would result in total workers liberation from wage slavedom and perpetual class domination if it were seen through, would you prefer to let the fat cats stay in their golden cage, or kick them out and let your movement determine what is to be deemed fair and in your peoples best interest?
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Aristocrats govern - they do not "work" - and Hitler's National Socialism was an attempt, via aristocratic principles (as in the Aryan Myth, and identity as a "Herrenvolk," and identification with Nietzschean ideas) to elevate the Germans, all classes thus united, to premier status in Europe by conquest. That is the making of a whole nation into a continental aristocracy


So what exactly would they do except

1) Become a state like Sparta

2) Grow fat weak and decadent

Aristocracy is not meant by the laws of politics and economics to be more then a small % of society for long.
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Being in a situation that would result in total workers liberation from wage slavedom

When a prole stops doing physical labor and starts being part of some ruling body he isn't a prole anymore.
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The only thing Jews worship is money and they are certainly the best at governing parasitic states such as the one you so desire. Jews currently control both the largest neo-imperialist country and the only paleo-imperialist nation in the world. If any ethnic group besides Jews controls an Empire it is ipso facto not an Aristocracy.

Jews have done this and are the only ethnic group doing this at this moment, in Israel. Jews also have control over all American conquests of arms, a great personification of this was Wesley Clark.

The Jews didn't stream into Europe until the Empire had crushed Judea and created the Diaspora; the Empire led to the Jewish immigration, your point was refuted.

Yes, the bottleneck's "survivors" emerged more organized and were driven into Europe, that was real damaging for Jewry.

It's democracy, neither plutocracy nor mobocracy.
I find these remarks nonsensical or nonresponsive. If anyone has questions in regard to these "points," above, or would like to reformulate this mess so as to make it pertinent, I will attempt to deal with whatever the issue has become, since the defense of Strasserism has here devolved into Commie-speak.
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Aristocrats govern - they do not "work" - and Hitler's National Socialism was an attempt, via aristocratic principles (as in the Aryan Myth, and identity as a "Herrenvolk," and identification with Nietzschean ideas) to elevate the Germans, all classes thus united, to premier status in Europe by conquest. That is the making of a whole nation into a continental aristocracy


So what exactly would they do except

1) Become a state like Sparta

2) Grow fat weak and decadent

Aristocracy is not meant by the laws of politics and economics to be more then a small % of society for long.
1) Become a state like Sparta.
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