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Old 09-30-2006, 05:43 PM
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Das Krematorium II wurde unter Einsatz aller verfügbaren Kräfte trotz unsagbarer Schwierigkeiten und Frostwetter bei Tag- und Nachbetrieb [sic] bis auf bauliche Kleinigkeiten fertiggestellt. Die Öfen wurden im Beisein des Herrn Oberingenieur Prüfer der ausführenden Firma, Firma Topf u. Söhne, Erfurt, angefeuert und funtionieren [sic] tadellos. Die Eisenbetondecke des Leichenkellers konnte infolge Frosteinwirkung noch nicht ausgeschalt werden. Die [sic] ist jedoch unbedeutend, da der Vergasungskeller hierfür benützt werden kann.

Die Firma Topf u. Soehne konnte infolge Waggonsperre die Be- und Entlüftungsanlage nicht wie von der Zentralbauleitung gefordert rechtzeitig anliefern. Nach Eintreffen der Be- und Entlüftungsanlage wird jedoch mit dem Einbau sofort begonnen, sodass voraussichtlich am 20.2.43 die Anlage vollständig betriebsfertig ist.

Ein Bericht des Prüfingenieurs der Firma Topf u. Söhne wird beigelegt.

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Except for some minor construction work, Krematorium II was finished by working with all our available forces day and night, despite inexpressible difficulties and freezing weather. The ovens were fired in the presence of the senior engineer Prüfer of the executing firm, Topf and Sons, Erfurt, and they are working faultlessly. The reinforced concrete ceiling of the morgue could not yet be eliminated due to the freezing weather. However, this is not significant, as the gassing cellar can be used for this purpose.

Due to the railway car prohibition, the company Topf and Sons could not deliver the aeration and deaeration equipment at the time demanded by the Zentralbauleitung. After the aeration and deaeration equipment arrive, however, installation will begin immediately, so that presumably by February 20, 1943, it will be completely ready for operation.
This is the infamous Bischoff forgery, pretending to be a letter from Bischoff to Kammler.

Question for the Hoaxers: exactly where was this imagined a/d equipment installed
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The photos of LK I (which was three-quarters underground) show no exhaust port and fan where one would expect it at the outer end of the structure, as would draw the atmosphere of the interior directly away from the interior door leading to the rest of the structure. This leaves only the lengthy and inefficient sides available as space for intake and exhaust ports, unless we imagine interior shafting of air for which a pair of chimneys have yet to appear on the aerial photos. We know, of course, that Green's objection to the Rudolph observation of insufficient blueing relies upon imagined ventilation and hosing of the interior - and that the undressing room and oven space could not be exposed to deadly fumes from opening the (interior) door of LK I.

So, where, in the ruins or in the photos, are the openings for the indispensable ventilation equipment, without which the facility could not run, according to the forgery?

[One idea that occurred to me is that the "smudges" on the photos are the result of the exhaust of shuttered and screened fans in the roof of LK I. - and that the idea for imaginary Zyklon introduction columns originated with these structures]
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Old 09-30-2006, 11:45 PM
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All ventilation equipment for Lk.1 was installed in the attic above the furnace room.

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Old 10-01-2006, 01:49 AM
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All ventilation equipment for Lk.1 was installed in the attic above the furnace room.

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And so now we know that LK I was used as an LK and not as a GK. Thanks.
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Old 10-01-2006, 03:07 PM
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All ventilation equipment for Lk.1 was installed in the attic above the furnace room.
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And so now we know that LK I was used as an LK and not as a GK. Thanks.
All crematoria I know are provided with a morgue, i.e. a room where dead bodies are kept before cremation. These morgues are usually kept artificially cool in order to slow down the natural decomposition of the dead body.

LK 1 in Auschwitz/Birkenau is clearly a morgue, regardless where the ventilation equipment is installed:

All architectural drawings of LK 1 refer to it as a morgue.

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The underground or semi-underground installation of the morgue itself in order to keep the room temperature down, the 20 cm thick steel-reinforced concrete ceiling, the 50 cm thick earth cover on top of the ceiling for further insulation, the gasketed (gas tight) entrance door to the morgue to avoid warm air from the furnace room to enter and heat up the morgue, the forced fresh air circulation, and the provision of a corpse slide.

The size of the morgue was determined to function as a buffer in case of an epidemic and the number of cremation ovens should not suffice, according to the architect designers of the morgue, Walter Dejaco and Fritz Ertl, during their trial in Vienna, Austria.

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This is the infamous Bischoff forgery, pretending to be a letter from Bischoff to Kammler.

Rubbish. It is hardly a forgery.

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Question for the Hoaxers: exactly where was this imagined a/d equipment installed?

Who cares?

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The photos of LK I (which was three-quarters underground) show no exhaust port and fan where one would expect it at the outer end of the structure,

Claiming you know where one can expect it is laughable. None of the existing photos of the gas chamber would show it.

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as would draw the atmosphere of the interior directly away from the interior door leading to the rest of the structure.

This is gibberish.

The ventilation system for the gas chambers is well documented.
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Old 10-10-2006, 03:28 AM
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All crematoria I know are provided with a morgue, i.e. a room where dead bodies are kept before cremation.

And since when is what you claim to know from your experience evidence?

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These morgues are usually kept artificially cool in order to slow down the natural decomposition of the dead body.

And yet documents talk about "pre-heating" the gas chambers, not something you'd do to a morgue, now is it.

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LK 1 in Auschwitz/Birkenau is clearly a morgue, regardless where the ventilation equipment is installed:

LK I was clearly a gas chamber, with a ventilation system unlike that found in any morgue.

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All architectural drawings of LK 1 refer to it as a morgue.

So what? Not all documents do. No testimonial evidence does. Documentary evidence shows that gas tight doors and prussic acid gas detectors were ordered for this room. And the walls contain residues of HCN, consistent with how all Nazi perpetrators and Jewish Sonderkommando say the rooms were used, as gas chambers.

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The underground or semi-underground installation of the morgue itself in order to keep the room temperature down,

Except that the "morgues" of Krema IV and Krema V were located above ground.

[quote the 20 cm thick steel-reinforced concrete ceiling, the 50 cm thick earth cover on top of the ceiling for further insulation,[/quote]

Or camouflage. Nothing about the ceiling is anymore consistent with a morgue than a gas chamber.

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the gasketed (gas tight) entrance door to the morgue to avoid warm air from the furnace room to enter and heat up the morgue, the forced fresh air circulation, and the provision of a corpse slide.

Morgues don't have gas tight doors, and LII in both KII and KIII didn't have them. Why would some "morgues" have them and some not?

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The size of the morgue was determined to function as a buffer in case of an epidemic

LOL!

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and the number of cremation ovens should not suffice, according to the architect designers of the morgue, Walter Dejaco and Fritz Ertl, during their trial in Vienna, Austria.

What they said was it didn't suffice despite in being able to cremate thousands per day. A sign of the genocide being committed.

The evidence that these rooms were gas chambers is overwhelming. In opposition you have offered only supposition and unsupported claims.
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Old 10-10-2006, 03:19 PM
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Documentary evidence shows that gas tight doors and prussic acid gas detectors were ordered for this room.
Prussic acid gas detectors did not exist at that time, they were not yet invented.
They used a chemical test set to detect gas remnants after a fumigation/ventilation process.

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Rubbish. It is hardly a forgery.



Who cares?



Claiming you know where one can expect it is laughable. None of the existing photos of the gas chamber would show it.



This is gibberish.



The ventilation system for the gas chambers is well documented.
Very good, Globby. You've shown the Boys and Girls, as expected, that the Holohoaxers have no answers for these vital questions.
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Prussic acid gas detectors did not exist at that time, they were not yet invented.

So the desperate denier line goes!
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Old 10-10-2006, 05:42 PM
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Very good, Globby. You've shown the Boys and Girls, as expected, that the Holohoaxers have no answers for these vital questions.

ANd you shown that deniers pretend asking irrelevant questions while ignoring evidence is revising history.

In the future, use my correct name.
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