Multiple cops shot dead, WA

[Angler]

Originally Posted by Gregz

Any talk of paralyzing the police is also foolish. Since not only are the police well armed, highly trained and hundreds of thousands strong. No revolt or revolution can succeed without securing the compliance of the police and other state security instruments.

I am not going to advocate any kind of full-blown revolution on this board, in part because no such thing would happen even if I did advocate it. People will not revolt in this country unless and until the day comes when they decide for themselves that things have become intolerable. However, just for the sake of argument, I must tell you that it's laughable to claim that the pigs are invincible.

The police get their strength over the citizens in much the same way that a dog dominates a herd of sheep. Sheep are timid and easily made to run away from the dog. However, if those sheep all decided to turn around and run at the dog, the dog would have to give way or be trampled.

The American public is extremely well-armed, and many citizens have excellent skill with their weapons. Look at what one mentally ill nigger was able to do with just a pistol and the element of surprise against four armed police who were wearing body armor -- even the police spokesmen acknowledged that he was skilled with his weapon. Now imagine millions of people across the country doing the same thing with rifles and shotguns.

The LAPD could barely even handle the LA Riots, so they had to call in the National Guard. In spite of being armed and armored to the hilt, police SWAT teams have been known to cower outside of building while violence was taking place inside at the hands of poorly-armed kids -- the massacres at Columbine and Virginia Tech are two examples. Even in the case of this latest cop-killing Negro, the SWAT team that surrounded a house where the Negro was thought to be hiding was afraid to go in without sending in a robot first to check the place out.

Like bullies in general, most pigs are cowards. They act like bad-asses when the odds are overwhelmingly on their side, but when they're faced with a serious threat -- if the odds are, say, less than 10-to-1 in their favor -- they tend to shit their pants.

If even one percent of US citizens got pissed off enough to engage in an armed and determined uprising in the US, the police would be utterly crushed without receiving immediate help from the military. But even the military has barely been able to handle Iraq and Afghanistan, and only at huge expense. In order to quell a revolution, the US military would have to basically destroy the whole country.

[Gregz]

Originally Posted by Angler

There most certainly is a solution to the problem of police thuggery. If the system refuses to meaningfully punish cops who step over the line, vigilante justice is called for. Such justice could take a wide variety of forms ranging from mild to very severe, depending on the offense.

Resistance to police bullying is perfectly responsible, acceptable, and commendable. Such resistance does not necessarily have to take the form of clandestine acts and violence, but these are certainly appropriate if there is no other way to solve the problem.

This incident is not the right platform to demand reforms. Especially since the police are currently seeking far greater powers.

I view the Marxist regimes, anti-white police recuitment policy as by far the most pressing problem facing the police today. If you think the police are bad now then your in for a big surprise. As your soon to be (non-white police force) will be like not having one at all.

Whilst I have no doubt that the police require far greater oversight and leadership. US unempoyment is now hovering over 10% and if it rises much further crime will very likely skyrocket.

[Gregz]

Originally Posted by XeniX

I proposed a solution to the growing police-state in my last post; stop using law enforcement as a revenue-generator- a good start would be to abandon the so-called war on drugs, for one.

I agree, they are shaking down the masses as the state is broke. However public spending is now at unsustainable high levels and governments around the world are being forced to make cut backs.

As for their "war on drugs" it's doing nearly as well as their other wars.

[Ambassador Chapuys]

Very careful with the irresponsable crap being spouted here. This forum´s wellbeing has priority over any perceived right to utter criminal shit.

[Sudaev]

Originally Posted by Angler

The LAPD could barely even handle the LA Riots

LAPD dropped the ball in 1965, and they did it all over again in '92. Total incompetence.

[il ragno]

In fairness to the Xenix/Angler outlook, there's nothing particularly unAmerican about antipathy towards cops; in fact, just the opposite. Most free societies, prior to the postwar rise of the Nanny State and the plush-toy Salaryman, were marked by a healthy dislike for constabularies large and small; as you might expect from people who were under far fewer illusions about exactly who the police are paid to serve and protect.

The sort of unquestioning obediance/worship of the military and the police that patriotards presume dates back to the colonies actually kicked off with the Great Bernaysing of society that began in the 30s and really gained traction with the Cold War paranoia that informed the postwar era. Obedience to police, informed by fear - which is what even the staunchest flagtard advocates - is a characteristic found in police states. Which we've been bombing the Third World to hell-and-gone for decades ostensibly to prevent and/or defeat.

So a healthy distaste for cops is actually a much more traditionally-American position than is reflexive support.


On the other hand, life is not a position-paper; it's messy, constantly contradictory and full of woolly-haired savages, and if the cops suck, well, let's face it.....so does the public, pretty much. They don't grow cops on a farm somewhere, y'know, they emerge from the same brackish, algae-choked muck the rest of us dogpaddle in - so as bad as you might think they are, they're always no better or worse than a representative sampling of We the People. Big city cops now serve one function, pretty much - society's garbagemen, and if they're notoriously disdainful of the public they serve, well, cops intuitively understand that should something go wriong during the trash collection, editorial writers, hack politicians and self-serving grandstanders - white men and women, mostly - will chuck them to the wolves without a moment's pause. We love us some sausage, but we find the process by which it's made downright offensive to our sensibilities: hard to respect people like that.

Now small-town cops.....hell, they've always scared the shit out of me. It's one thing to be warped into sociopathy by the bureaucratic meat-grinder and a hypocritical public, but the small-town cop enjoys a power over the citizenry his big-city cousin doesn't, without the attendant risks, and this is where you tend to find the tinpot martinets who mainline like junkies on bully-endorphins.

[Sudaev]

Originally Posted by il ragno

On the other hand, life is not a position-paper; it's messy, constantly contradictory and full of woolly-haired savages, and if the cops suck, well, let's face it.....so does the public, pretty much. They don't grow cops on a farm somewhere, y'know, they emerge from the same brackish, algae-choked muck the rest of us dogpaddle in - so as bad as you might think they are, they're always no better or worse than a representative sampling of We the People. Big city cops now serve one function, pretty much - society's garbagemen, and if they're notoriously disdainful of the public they serve, well, cops intuitively understand that should something go wriong during the trash collection, editorial writers, hack politicians and self-serving grandstanders - white men and women, mostly - will chuck them to the wolves without a moment's pause. We love us some sausage, but we find the process by which it's made downright offensive to our sensibilities: hard to respect people like that.

Jack Webb's voice was narrating that in my head as I was reading it, until I got to the "we love us some sausage" part.

[Kriger]

Originally Posted by il ragno

Now small-town cops.....hell, they've always scared the shit out of me. It's one thing to be warped into sociopathy by the bureaucratic meat-grinder and a hypocritical public, but the small-town cop enjoys a power over the citizenry his big-city cousin doesn't, without the attendant risks, and this is where you tend to find the tinpot martinets who mainline like junkies on bully-endorphins.

Well, Ragno, I don't know what small-town police are like in New York New York, but I do know what they are like here in south central Missouri...and yes, they do let the Outlanders (furreners) know they are in our territory and fair-warning to behave. They basically give fair warning that No, you don't want to get out of line in this territory. Mind your manners, don't make trouble, don't bring drugs into the area...things like that...they really don't care what color you are...and we have our share of low-life cretins who are not nice at all.. the only thing these ones understand is brutal force, and the local law enforcement are only too happy to carry it out. Hell, the average next door neighbor is only too happy to carry it out. That's why law and order basically prevails here. Law enforcement and the citizenry are basically of one mind in this area.

It's called White communities...and the color of one's skin does not automatically roll out the welcome mat.

[il ragno]

Hmmmm. I wonder if he savvies that I'm trying to intimate that small-town coips are "scary" because they have the greatest leeway to be completely corrupt laws-unto-themselves.

I do know what they are like here in south central Missouri...and yes, they do let the Outlanders (furreners) know they are in our territory and fair-warning to behave.

They put Martin Lindstedt in prison and then a madhouse for two years without charge or trial in order to learn him some manners; meanwhile St Louis and Kansas City are near-submerged in orc violence and vice. That's not the sort of law enforcement I'd place much faith in.

[harjit]

Originally Posted by Angler

Like bullies in general, most pigs are cowards. They act like bad-asses when the odds are overwhelmingly on their side, but when they're faced with a serious threat -- if the odds are, say, less than 10-to-1 in their favor -- they tend to shit their pants.

That's cowardly? Even a 1 in 100 chance of being shot would scare the bejesus out of me. (And believe it or not, I'm not a bad shot either, I scored very high in my class in a training course once).