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Old 10-28-2014, 11:07 PM
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Christian Bale, who plays Moses in Exodus: Of Gods and Kings, the forthcoming biblical epic directed by Ridley Scott has upset several Christian writers after he described his character as 'barbaric' and 'schizophrenic'.

Speaking at a press conference in Los Angeles last month, Bale said he had undertaken significant research for the role, including also reading the Torah, the Koran and Jonathan Kirsch’s life of Moses.

‘I think the man was likely schizophrenic and was one of the most barbaric individuals that I ever read about in my life,’ he said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-release.html
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Old 10-28-2014, 11:14 PM
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So you are in the desert and the mob starts to talk about saking you, do you:

1.) Take the demotion and die

2.) or Go Barbaric, keep your station and retain power


Only a liberal needs to think this over in the least.

And the 'you are crazy' 'insult' is actually a complement as being crazy to decadent dope addicts is anything but a negative.
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Old 10-28-2014, 11:19 PM
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Moses represents the "hard side" of God - His holiness, His judgment. Unbelievers might well find him a fearsome and even grotesque figure - especially if they are weak moderns with soft stomachs. (Even in John Bunyan's book The Pilgrim's Progress, Moses appears as a frightening character who symbolizes the condemning Law of God.)

The original pagans of Northern Europe could have probably understood the Old Testament worldview better than decadent post-Christians:

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/philostorgius.htm

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CHAP. 5.--He also says that Urphilas19 brought over as settlers to the Roman territory a large body of persons who had been driven out of their ancient abodes for the sake of their religion. These came from among the Scythians, north of the Ister, and were formerly called Getae, though now they are better known as Goths. And he asserts that this race of men were brought over to the faith of Christ in the following manner. While Valerian and Gallienus were administering the empire, a large multitude of Scythians, who lived north of the Ister, made an incursion into the Roman territory, and laid waste a great part of. Europe by their predatory excursions and afterwards having crossed over into Asia, invaded Cappadocia and Galatia. Here they took a large quantity of prisoners, among whom were not a few ecclesiastics; and they returned to their own country laden with spoils and booty. These pious captives, by their intercourse with the barbarians, brought over a great number of the latter to the true faith, and persuaded them to embrace the Christian religion in the place of heathen superstitions. Of the number of these |436 captives were the ancestors of Urphilas himself, who were of Cappadocian descent, deriving their origin from a village called Sadagolthina, near time city of Parnassus. This Urphilas, then, was the header of this pious band which came out from among the Goths, and became eventually their first bishop. The following was the method of his appointment. Being sent by the then king of the Goths on an embassy to the court of the emperor Constantine, (for the barbarous tribes in those parts were subject to the emperor,) he was ordained bishop of the Christians among time Goths, by Eusebius and the other prelates that were with him. Accordingly he took the greatest care of them in many ways, and amongst others, he reduced their language to a written form, and translated into their vulgar tongue all the books of holy Scripture, with the exception of the Books of Kings, which he omitted, because they are a mere narrative of military exploits, and the Gothic tribes were especially fond of war, and were in more need of restraints to check their military passions than of spurs to urge them on to deeds of war. But those books have the greatest influence in exciting the minds of readers, inasmuch as they are regarded with great veneration, and are adapted to lead the hearts of believers to the worship of God. This multitude of converts were located by the emperor in the different parts of Moesia, as he thought best, and he held Urphilas himself in such high honour, that he would often speak of him in conversation as the Moses of his day. Philostorgius is loud in his praises of this Urphilas; 20 and asserts that both he |437 and the Goths who were under his spiritual rule, were followers of his own heretical opinions.
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Old 10-28-2014, 11:26 PM
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So you are in the desert and the mob starts to talk about saking you, do you:

1.) Take the demotion and die

2.) or Go Barbaric, keep your station and retain power

Only a liberal needs to think this over in the least.

And the 'you are crazy' 'insult' is actually a complement as being crazy to decadent dope addicts is anything but a negative.
A Victorian-era English clergyman Charles Kingsley had considerable (theological) liberal tendencies, but still back in those days, a non-effeminate man like him could see why Moses had to do what he did, striking down those Israelites who revolted against his authority:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/10325...-h/10325-h.htm

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Now rebellion may be and ought to be punished far more severely in some cases than in others. If men rebel here, in Great Britain or Ireland, we smile at them, and let them off with a slight imprisonment, because we are not afraid of them. They can do no harm.

But there are cases in which rebellion must be punished with a swift and sharp hand. On board a ship at sea, for instance, where the safety of the whole ship, the lives of the whole crew, depend on instant obedience, mutiny may be punished by death on the spot. Many a commander has ere now, and rightly too, struck down the rebel without trial or argument, and ended him and his mutiny on the spot; by the sound rule that it is expedient that one man die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

And so it was with the Israelites in the desert. All depended on their obedience. God had given them a law—a constitution, as we should say now—perfectly fitted, no doubt, for them. If they once began to rebel and mutiny against that law, all was over with them. That great, foolish, ignorant multitude would have broken up, probably fought among themselves—certainly parted company, and either starved in the desert, or have been destroyed piecemeal by the wild warlike tribes, Midianites, Moabites, Amalekites—who were ready enough for slaughter and plunder. They would never have reached Canaan. They would never have become a great nation. So they had to be, by necessity, under martial law. The word must be, Obey or die. As for any cruelty in putting Korah, Dathan, and Abiram to death, it was worth the death of a hundred such—or a thousand—to preserve the great and glorious nation of the Jews to be the teachers of the world.
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Old 10-28-2014, 11:31 PM
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Moses represents the "hard side" of God - His holiness, His judgment. Unbelievers might well find him a fearsome and even grotesque figure - especially if they are weak moderns with soft stomachs. (Even in John Bunyan's book The Pilgrim's Progress, Moses appears as a frightening character who symbolizes the condemning Law of God.)

The original pagans of Northern Europe could have probably understood the Old Testament worldview better than decadent post-Christians:
The Norther Peoples were converted by tales that essentially made God a mighty man of war the Junius Codex is one of the most complete examples.
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Right is it that we praise the King of heaven, the Lord of hosts, and love Him with all our hearts. For He is great in power, the Source of all created things, the Lord Almighty. Never hath He known beginning, neither cometh an end of His eternal glory. Ever in majesty He reigneth over celestial thrones; in righteousness and strength He keepeth the courts of heaven which were established, broad and ample, by the might of God, for angel dwellers, wardens of the soul. The angel legions knew the blessedness of God, celestial joy and bliss. Great was their glory! The mighty spirits magnified their Prince and sang His praise with gladness, serving the Lord of life, exceeding blessed in His splendour. They knew no sin nor any evil; but dwelt in peace for ever with their Lord. They wrought no deed in heaven save right and truth, until the angel prince in pride walked in the ways of error. Then no longer would they work their own advantage, but turned away from the love of God. They boasted greatly, in their banded strength, that they could share with God His glorious dwelling, spacious and heavenly bright.
Source: Full text of "Codex Junius 11"
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Old 10-29-2014, 12:06 AM
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Moses had his flaws, as do all humans. Luckily for him he had Aaron to clean up his messes.
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Old 10-29-2014, 12:08 AM
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As the bible says, it is the crazy man who is closest to God.
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Old 10-29-2014, 12:35 AM
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The Norther Peoples were converted by tales that essentially made God a mighty man of war the Junius Codex is one of the most complete examples.
And here is another bit that shows just how pathetic the addled addict actor really is compared to his Anglo-Saxon Ancestors:
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Fierce of heart, they boasted they would take the kingdom, and easily. But their hope failed them when the Lord, High King of heaven, lifted His hand against their host. The erring spirits, in their sin, might not prevail against the Lord, but God, the Mighty, in His wrath, smote their insolence and broke their pride, bereft these impious souls of victory and power and dominion and glory; despoiled His foes of bliss and peace and joy and radiant grace, and mightily avenged His wrath upon them to their destruction.
Source: Full text of "Codex Junius 11"
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They rebel, the big man cuts them down. No bones about it to the Saxons.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahkwQhQZWG8 

On an other note: Anyone want to bet we get to see the 'gnostic' moses or even the 'real Moses' ie a Moses more like the WWF/commando Noah of late and less like 'Let my People Go'. Anyone? For a visual reminder of just how bad it really was:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IMBJyztU2Q 

As a side note I really liked that show when I was a lad. The Ten Commandments I mean, not Game of Ark Noahs WWF Thrones.
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Old 10-29-2014, 12:53 AM
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"Exodus: Gods and Kings," which is slated to hit theaters Dec. 12, will attribute the parting of the Red Sea to an earthquake, and not to God.

"You can't just do a giant parting, with walls of water trembling while people ride between them," Scott said in an interview with Entertainment Weekly, referring to the film "The Ten Commandments."

"I didn't believe it then, when I was just a kid sitting in the third row. I remember that feeling, and thought that I'd better come up with a more scientific or natural explanation," Scott added...


http://www.christianpost.com/news/mo...n-bale-128653/
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Old 10-29-2014, 01:19 AM
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Bale has stared in a decent movie since American psycho and Ridley Scott shouldn't be making lame garbage like Exodus.
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