The NSDAP and the jews

[IlluSionS667]

Here's a little article I've written a while ago on the issue of the 'holocaust' and the question what really happened to the jews. It's not very professional and does contain some errors, but it's still sufficient for its purpose. My knowledge on the topic has improved a lot since I wrote this article. I nevertheless decided to post it, because people like "Sulla the Dictator" were accusing me of not being able to write anything of this nature myself.

The article itself does little effort to prove what happened, but only to give a more clear idea of what did really happen, different from what the 'holocaust enforcers' would like you to believe, and to answer the questions most sceptics have. If you're looking for some evidence for my claims, I suggest you should out the sources provided in the bottom of the article.

The NSDAP and the jews

I've been raised among liberals. Most of my social interaction occurs among programmers and intellectuals. I respect people regardless of race, sexuality, religion or political views. I however believe that certain concepts that appear to be the foundations of modern society (multi-culturalism, christianity, judaism, materialism, consumerism, egotism, free abortion, free divorce, ...) are a great danger to the future of all civilisations and mankind in general. It would require a 100 page essay to fully explain every aspect of it, for which I have no time, but I can assure you that none of these views are based on bias. National socialism rejects every single one of these concepts, and provides an alternative spiritual and political philosophy, clearly influenced by Nietsche, Blavatsky, Kierkegaard, Von Liszt, Heidegger, Darwin, Kant, Haushofer and other great thinkers. National socialism has to be regarded as a reaction to materialism, with most obvious roots lying in darwinism, romanticism and Germanic pagantry. Though both skinheads and anti-fascists use the term 'nazi' to refer to white supremacism, it is definitely an incorrect view of a wonderful and positive ideology. Anti-semitism or white supremacism have never been elements of national socialism. They were merely derivative concepts, based on certain concepts I do not fully agree with, but that were generally accepted by early 20th century science. They were an anti-reaction to the power of zionist-capitalist jews, and the oppression of the Germanic spirit, which alone requires a lengthy essay to fully explain. I'm not a an anti-semite or a white supermacist, but I do refer to myself as national socialist.

I still have huge amount of respect for Hitler. I'm a revisionist, and I have stumbled on a lot of evidence to conclude that Hitler never ordered the jews to be exterminated. I do not believe in murdering 'all who's different', which is what most people think national socialism is about. It has never been about that. The wonderful ideology of national socialism has been distorted by many. The NSDAP has been vilified to an extreme degree, in an Orwellian fashion.
I also don't 'worship' or follow Hitler, by the way. I merely recognize 90% of my own views in the views of the NSDAP and I like to honor him for being the first to do something politically with those views.

Today, national socialists and revisionists (who do not necessarily have something to do with each other) are the most misunderstood and prosecuted people. One could say we're the new jews.

Remember that written history always depends on who writes it :

"Only the winners decide what were war crimes." (Gary Wills)
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." (Arthur Schopenhauer)
"We shall go down in history as the greatest statesmen of all time, or as the greatest criminals." (Josef Goebbels)
"There are two histories : official history, lying, and then secret history, where you find the real causes of events" (Honoré de Balzac)
"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." (George Orwell)
"The victor will never be asked if he tolds the truth." (Adolf Hitler)
"Truth does not fear investigation." (David Lane)
"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." (George Orwell)

Compare Cuban and Sovjet history books with an American one. Even European and American history books speak very differently on certain subjects. History telling is always colored. That's because those who won the war usually decide how the face of the enemy should be described. As their influence is different in different countries, history books are different in different countries. Wartime propaganda sometimes remains alive, while the truth fades away. I wonder how European history books would have looked like, had Hitler won the war.....

Auschwitz was an prison camp, but not an extermination camp. I haven't been able to visit it myself, unfortunately, but I have seen footage from inside the camp. Have they shown you the Auschwitz swimming pool and other sport facilities? Have they shown you the Auschwitz theatre? Have they mentioned the frequent visits of the red cross inspection teams? Have they told you about the camp incentive system? .....

The gas chambers were in reality air raid shelters. After the war, the Russians had broken out all the wall and put some holes in the ceiling. This would suffice to convince the visitors that these were gas chambers. However, it is still clearly visible that wall were taken out, and research did point out that the holes were constructed later. The current Auschwitz director never denied this, by the way. He did however claim that these changes were done to recreate the state of the structure to how it was BEFORE it became an air raid shelter. But there is no evidence that it ever was a gas chamber, nor were there mentionable Zyklon B traces, unlike in the delycing chambers, which no one claims to have ever been used to murdering people.

Do you really trust the Stalinist regime? They were known for staging fake trials. They made several claims for execution methods, for instance electrocution chambers. The gas chambers is one of the few claims that remained during the Nuremberg trial.

The main evidence for the 'gas chambers' was the 'confession' of Rudolf Höss (camp commander of Auschwitz) after torture, that was filled with inconsistencies.

Also worthy to mention is the documentary "Truth behind the gates of Auschwitz" that is made by a young man who's atheist by religion, but jew by race and education. It is completely filmed behind the gates of Auschwitz. If you use bittorrent, you can surely find it online some place. This movie tries to take an objective view on what really happened during the so-called 'holocaust', especially in Auschwitz. The concept of the movie is to find out the real nature of the so-called 'gas chambers' and to examin 'evidence' for the usage of these 'gas chambers' in Auschwitz. The whole movie is made in a very logical and deductive method. It doesn't enforce any conclusions on you, which is one of the strengths of this movie. As the movie is made by a person called David Cole who is atheist by religion, but jew by birth and education, it also adds to the strength of this movie. This is because the only logical conclusions one can make from this movie are undeniably revisionistic. Revisionists have always been accused for being biased by their ideological views and therefor alone being unreliable. As someone of jewish descendence who can impossibly be a revisionist for ideological reasons, David Cole therefor is much more credible.
Because this video was very controversial, especially in zionist circles, David Cole was victimised in a very large degree after this movie came out. After serious threats by the JDL, he finally decided to publicly retract his revisionist view. Anyone who's familiar with WW2 history knows that this is only in favor of the revisionist version. But don't let any believed get enforce onto you. Judge for yourself. The quality of the movie could be better, but the quality of the information is very high. For more info on the retraction of David Cole, go to this site (written by a critic of revisionism) or this site (written by a supporter of revisionism). For more info on revisionism, go to this site.

Also recommendable it this pro-holocaust website on Buchenwald.

Important details it mentions :

" Non political prisoners were sent to the concentration camps in the early days for a six month period and if they learned the value of work they were released". ( so perhaps the phrase "arbeit macht frei" should be taken literally after all )

"Here the prisoners could buy cigarettes or personal items with the camps money that they earned by working, or with money they received from relatives outside the camp." (so they had their own incentive system too)

"Prisoners who arrrived at Buckenwald had to live in this camp temporarily as health measure, in an effort to stop epidemics!"

"There was a soccer field,..soccer was the main sport, but the prisoners also played handball, volleyball, rounders and even basketball.... There were several teams organized and they played against each other for championships...the only thing lacking in Buchenwald was a swimming pool like the one in Auschwitz."

Also very interesting is the fact that Auschwitz had it's own art museum ! ( source 1 , source 2 )

The Jewish world population before the outbreak of the 2nd World War:

According to
“The National Council of Churches”, USA, 1930……….…………………….15 000 000
“Jewish Encyclopedia”, USA, 1933…………………………………………………….15 600 000
“World Almanac”, publ.:American Jewish Committee, USA, 1939…15 600 000

The Jewish world population after the 2nd World War:

According to
“World Almanac”, publ.: American Jewish Committee, USA, 1945…15 192 089
“World Almanac”, publ.: American Jewish Committee, USA, 1946…15 753 638
“World Almanac”, publ.: American Jewish Committee, USA, 1947…15 698 259
“World Almanac”, publ.: American Jewish Committee, USA, 1948…15 500 000
“The New York Times”, USA, different entries 1948 (!)....………………15 700 000-18 600 000
“World Almanac”, publ.: American Jewish Committee, USA, 1950…11 500 000
“The National Council of Churches”, USA, ……… …1951 ………………....15 500 000

Strangely enough in the year 1950 (exactly at the time of the German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer was to meet with Nahum Goldmann, the president of the Jewish World Congress, in concern with the so-called reparation payments to the freshly arisen state Israel), a round number of 4 000 000 Jews disappeared from the statistics the US-based ‘American Jewish Committee’.

<b>What's a Vernichtungslager then?</b>

There was never any such thing as a camp officially called "Vernichtungslager".

The official designation of the Auschwitz main camp was "Konzentrationslager Auschwitz", or "KL-Auschwitz".

The official designation of Birkenau was "Kriegsgefangenenlager Birkenau", or KGL-Birkenau.

The official designation of Majdanek was originally KGL-Lublin, then changed to KL-Lublin.

The official designation of Belzec was "Sonderlager der Waffen-SS Belzec".

I have not been able to find the official German designations of Sobibor and Chelmno.

German concentration camps were officially divided into three groups, according to the severity of the treatment of the prisoners, Group 1 being the most leninet, and Group 3 being the most severe.

Only one camp was in Group 3; that was Mauthausen (Austria).

Auschwitz main camp was in Group 1 and Birkenau in Group 2. Thus, Mauthausen was officially considered a more severe camp than Birkenau.
The term "Vernichtungslager" was never used by the Germans themselves. It is a translation of the Polish term "oboz zaglady", which the Polish underground hyperbolically applied to German concentration camps to which captured Polish resistance fighters were sent.

There is not the slightest proof that any program of mass extermination was carried out in these camps at all: all the allegations made in this regard are based solely on unreliable 'eyewitness' testimony. On the basis of the few available documents and a great deal of other evidence, it may be deduced that Treblinka and Sobibor were transit camps, via which some Jews were sent east - into the occupied Soviet zones - while others were sent, in transit, via these camps, to a variety of work camps. It is highly probable that Belzec was a transit camp as well. Auschwitz-Birkenau was definitely a work camp. Of Chelmno, we know next to nothing.

How about the Endlösung? Did that not exist either?

He never planned to exterminate an entire race. only wanted the jews out of his empire, because they were considered harmful for the National Socialist ideals and the German people in general. This is because their ways of life and their sense of morality were too different from what was required in the country. The Germans despised the jewish people, because they believed the jewish values were destructive for the Aryan morale, and they believed that wealthy jews behaved like leeches on the German economy. It would take a few more pages to fully explain this, however I can say with certainty that he did have sufficient reasons to believe this. He did however generalize too much. Certainly, it was not an entire race that was 'evil'. Certainly, it was only a part of the jewish population that was racist towards non-jews and exploited the German people. Certainly, there were some very sweet, nice, gently jews. This is where science comes in. Back in those days, scientists strongly believed there was a link between genetics and sociological behavior. Today many people still believe this, though social conditions probably play a much more important role than genetics. Back then however, genetics was considered the cause of sociological behavior. And this lead to the generalisation that not just SOME jews were evil, but ALL jews.

From the beginning of the National Socialist regime in Germany, there were concentration camps such as those in Dachau and Buchenwalt. They were meant as preventive prisons for political oponents the national socialists considered to be a danger for the Reich. The national socialists had a strong dislike for the jewish people, but their policy against the jews did not go any further than the boycot of jews and anti-jewish propaganda. Their policy todays the jews was about migration.

Their ways to get the jews out of the country were simple, but genius. In 1933, they started to discriminate the jewish people. Jewish people could not obtain certain jobs, go to certain public places, etc. At the same time, the party established migration programs with Zionist organisations that helped set up funds to ease migration, such as the Haavara Agreement. Many jews already migrated because of these measures. In 1938, however, Goebbels (who was much more extreme in his anti-semitism than his Führer) decided to hold a night of desctruction, that would later be known as 'Kristallnacht' (Crystal night = night of the broken glass). A lot of jewish property got destroyed in a night of organised vandalism, including many windows (hence the name). Jews who tried to defend their property, often got beaten by the vandals. Nearly 30000 supposebly dangerous jews were arrested and thrown in the camps. Most of those would later be set free though. The official reason was to punish the jews for burning the Reichstag, though today it is generally accepted that this was done by the government itself to incriminate the jews. I'm not sure whether this accusation holds any ground, though it is worth mentioning. It is generally assumed that Kristallnacht was intended to scare the jews, so they would migrate in a larger number.

In 1938, a jew shot a clerk at the German embassy of Paris, probably for personal vengeance. Goebbels used this as a 'reason' for his Kristallnacht: an orchestrated riot throughout Germany, leading to the destruction or confiscation of much jewish property. About 100 people are said to have been died that night. After Kristallnacht, about 30,000 Jews were arrested and sent to camps. Most of these Jews were ultimately released particularly if they were able to emigrate.

Around that time, the National Socialist government started to annex land that Hitler considered to be necessary to found a greater Germany. These areas were Austria, Sudetenland (part of Czechoslovakia) and East Prussia (part of Poland) The first country they annexed was Austria. It was annexed without any serious resistance.

Sudetenland was next on the list. The leaders of Britain, France, Italy, and Germany held a conference in Munich on September 29-30, 1938. In what became known as the Munich Pact, they agreed to the German annexation of the Sudetenland in exchange for a pledge that this would be the end of the annexations. Hitler did not quite agree with the Munich Pact though, and in on March 15, 1939 Germany invaded the rump Czechoslovak state. Occupied by German forces, the Czech provinces of Bohemia and Moravia became a German protectorate. Slovakia became an independent state, closely allied with Germany.

Next on the schedule was East Prussia. When Hitler invaded Poland in 1939, the English and French governments had enough of Hitler's annexations, and they declared war on Germany. This is the official beginning of the second world war. It is true that he also wanted to gain territory in the east (Russia) after destroying communism. That would have been a good thing for the world.

At this moment, Germany became an isolated country and the German migration policy seized to function any more. At the same time, its internal security was at risk because of the severely increased foreign hostility. That's why they decided to put all jews in camps or ghettoes. This would make the jewish people more controllable. At the same time, they could punnish the jewish establishment for its supposed involvement in the war (Hitler was convinced it were rich powerful jews who had convinced the English to start WW2). And also, they would have extra cheap labor forces that could help support the war effort. But migration and internation with the purpose of control and (slave) labor was all they really had planned and executed. As the Germans swept through Poland, the order of S.S. leader Heydrich of establishing local Jewish populace to form Jewish Councils as a liaison between the Jews and the Nazis was carried out. The council of Jewish elders was responsible for organizing the orderly deportation to the camps, for detailing the number and occupations of the Jews in the ghettos, for distributing food and medical supplies.

If Goebbels had had its way, there may actually have been an extermination plan. But Hitler never supported this idea, as he had too much respect for life to order such a thing. And all evidence shows that Hitler's intentions were respected. Even the infamous Wannsee conference documents always mention internation and migration, and never extermination. Of course, the allied nations explained this as being code language, later on. The infamous Einsatzgruppen did execute a lot of jews, but also a lot of non-jews. The reason for this had nothing to do with race or religion though, but all with these people being (accused of being) resistance forces. This probably did cost the lives of many innocent people. This may seem cruel, but this is common practice during war. I wonder how many innocent people were killed by the Russians and Americans during the war, in an effort to kill those resisting them. H***, the Americans and English even purposely bombed civilian cities to the ground (Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Nijmegen, ...).

Still, many people died in these camps and ghettoes. The allied governments wanted us to believe that the camps all were a part of a huge plan to jewish extermination (in stead of emigration) The fact is that most people died out of famine or disease (mostly typhus).

And then there were the so-called death marches, which were nothing else than evacuations from the camps, when the Russians were coming to close. If there ever was the intent to murder all jews, why not just kill them then? But no, they let camp inmates walk for miles and miles in an effort to evac the camps. Some were killed, if they couldn't keep up. This is also normal practice in a time of war. Many people survived this though.

Of course, there were jews that were brutally murdered for no reason. The Dirlewanger SS brigare for instance was known for their brutality, mass murdering many innocent civilians. This however was not a part of German policy, and similar things happened in Okinawa (Japanse occupied territory) when the US soldiers invaded it and happened in most wars.

Death for those, who have become too weak, in order to save more people from famine or disease is believed to have happened too. It is not documented though and only relies on witness accounts by those who were liberated from the camps. These witnesses mentioned the weak getting seperated from the strong. They assumed that these people were brought to death, but there is not serious foundation for this thesis. It is not improbable that these people were simple referred to infermaries where many of them died after a while because of a lack of medicine.

Also was it not official policy to give the jews inefficient supplies of food with the purpose of their starvation. Proof of these can be found in the follwing documents :

The extremely high mortality rates in the camps naturally influenced the economic efficiency of the camps in a highly negative way. On December 28, 1942, Concentration Camp Inspector Richard Glücks sent the following instructions in a circular letter to the commandants of 19 concentration camps:

"The first camp doctors must strive with all means available to them to ensure that the mortality figures in the individual camps are to be considerably reduced. [...] The camp doctors must supervise the nourishment of the inmates more than in the past, and submit suggestions for improvement in conformity with the administrations. Such measures must exist, not merely on paper, but must rather be regularly controlled by the camp doctors. [...] The Reichsführer SS has ordered that the mortality must be reduced at all costs."

These instructions had concrete results: within eight months the mortality in the concentration camps fell by almost 80%

On October 26, 1943, SS-Obergruppenführer and Leader of the of the SS-WVHA Oswald Pohl sent all concentration camp commandants a circular letter in which he remarked:

"Within the framework of the armaments production the concentration camps have become [...] a factor of decisive military significance. We have created incomparable armaments factories where nothing existed before.

In earlier years, within the framework of the then applicable educational tasks it could be a matter of indifference whether an inmate performed useful work or not. Now, however, the working power of the inmates is of significance and all measures of the commander, leaders of the V Service and doctors must apply themselves to the maintaining the health and efficiency of the inmates. Not from reasons of sentimentality, but rather because we need them, with their arms and legs, because they must contribute to the achievement of a great victory by the German people, therefore we must be attentive to the well-being of the inmates.

I set the following objective: No more than a maximum of 10% of all inmates may be unable to work as a result of disease. This objective must be reached in a common task of all responsible officials. The following are necessary for this purpose:

- Correct and adequate food.
- Correct and adequate clothing.
- The utilization of all natural remedies.
- Avoidance of all effort not immediately necessary for the performance of needed work.
- Premiums for efficiency. [...]
I will bear personal responsibility for the supervision of the measures repeatedly described in the present letter."

The widespread idea that limitless arbitrary cruelty prevailed in the National Socialist concentration camps and that sadistic mistreatment was a common occurrence is simply not confirmed by surviving German wartime documentation. We are aware that regulations may exist only on paper, and we do not doubt that acts of cruelty often occurred in the camps. But that such acts in no way reflected official policy is clearly obvious from the regulations for the camp administration. In Auschwitz, every SS man had to sign a declaration reading word for word as follows:

"I am aware that only the Führer possesses life and death decision-making powers over enemies of the State. I am not permitted to injure or kill any enemy of the State (inmate). Any killing of an inmate in a concentration camp requires the personal approval of the Reichsführer SS. I am aware that I will be severely called to account for any violation of this regulation."

Kazimierz Smolen, former Director of the Auschwitz-Museum, wrote an article on the punishment system at Auschwitz based on German documents, in which the various punishments provided for by the regulation are listed in order of severity:

- Warning with threat of punishment
- Additional work
- Temporary transfer to a punishment
- company
- Arrest
- Severe arrest with withdrawal of food
- Arrest in solitary confinement
- Beating (25 blows).

Prior to execution of the beating punishment an examination by a physician was required. Death sentences required approval by the RSHA prior to execution.

Severe steps were occasionally taken against SS men guilty of committing crimes against inmates: two camp commandants - Karl Koch of Buchenwald and Hermann Florstedt of Majdanek - and one physician of Bushenwald - Dr. Waldemar Hoven - were executed by the National Socialists themselves for this matter.

In the month of May 1945 (after the liberation), there were 2,226 Dachau inmates who died in the typhus epidemic which was still raging. There were 196 more deaths in June 1945. The epidemic was finally brought under control by the Americans with the use of DDT to kill the lice and typhus vaccine to stop the spread of the disease. The Germans did not have DDT or vaccine to prevent typhus.

Except for jews and gypsies (who were also considered a threat to the state, because of their ways of life and morality), the German state did not racially discriminate people. Though pureblood Aryan people were envied and held in a higher regard, non-Aryans and even Slavs or half-jews (who denounce Judaism) were treated equally. Some half-jews even took very important positions in the German chain of command.

'll give you some sources to read, both internet and book sources. I tried to limit my list of book sources mostly to books that can also be found online. Of course there are dozens more. Some are very well scientifically backed, unlike most works that tell the official version. Not all revisionist material is of high quality of course, but in average their proof is pretty solid.

websites :
- ihr.org
- vho.org
- David Irving's Website
- Ernst Zündel's Website
- Holocaust Historiography project

books :
- Holocaust Affirmers (Alexander Baron)
- The Hoax Of The 20th Century (Arthur Butz)
- The Rumor of Auschwitz (Robert Faurisson)
- The Giant With Feet Of Clay : Raul Hilber and his standard work on the "holocaust" (Jürgen Graf)
- Holocaust or Hoax? (Jürgen Graf)
- The First Holocaust: Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During and After World War One (Don Heddesheimer)
- The Myth of the Six Million (David Hoggan)
- Auschwitz: The End of a Legend (Carlo Mattogno)
- Belzec in Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological Research, and History (Carlo Mattogno)
- Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp? (Carlo Mattogno & Jürgen Graf)
- Concentration Camp Majdanek: A Historical and Technical Study (Carlo Mattogno & Jürgen Graf)
- Concentration Camp Stutthof and its Function in National Socialist Jewish Policy (Carlo Mattogno & Jürgen Graf)
- The Drama of the European Jews (Paul Rassinier)
- The Confessions of Kurt Gerstein (Henri Roques)
- Dissecting the Holocaust (Germar Rudolf)
- The Rudolf Report: Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz (Germar Rudolf)
- The Holocaust Story and the Lies of Ulysses (Paul Rassinier)
- The origins of the Second World War (AJP Taylor)

About the "Hakenkreuz":

The "Hakenkreuz" is one of the most ancient religious symbols, perhaps even THE most ancient. It is or has been used by Buddhists (where they call wan or manji), Hindus (where they call it swastika or sauvastika), the Greek (where they called it tetraskelion or gammadion) and the ancient Germanic people (where they called it fylfot). The Native Americans and the Hebrews also used the symbol, but I'm not aware of their name for it. In the late 19th century and the early 20th century is was also used in the US as a good luck symbol.

Some cultures use the clockwise version, some use the counter-clockwise version and others use both. While in most cultures both counter-clockwise and clockwise versions have the same meaning, in some cultures the counter-clockwise version is a negative symbol. The clockwise version used by Hitler's NSDAP however, never was a negative symbol.

Unlike what many people think, Hitler did not turn around the positive counter-clockwise Hindu swastika to make it an evil sign. He used the clockwise Germanic fylfot as an inspiration. It's meaning is very similar to the Oriental 'yin-yang' symbol. It was supposed to mark Germany that was supposed to become a 'land of milk and honey' through the ideals of National Socialism. But while Hitler was re-conquering German territory that had been stolen from Germany in 1918, England and France started a war against Germany, which would lead to the demise of the great empire.

[Ahknaton]

Originally Posted by IlluSionS667

THE most ancient. It is or has been used by Buddhists (where they call wan or manji), Hindus (where they call it swastika or sauvastika), the Greek (where they called it tetraskelion or gammadion) and the ancient Germanic people (where they called it fylfot). The Native Americans and the Hebrews also used the symbol, but I'm not aware of their name for it. In the late 19th century and the early 20th century is was also used in the US as a good luck symbol.

Some cultures use the clockwise version, some use the counter-clockwise version and others use both. While in most cultures both counter-clockwise and clockwise versions have the same meaning, in some cultures the counter-clockwise version is a negative symbol. The clockwise version used by Hitler's NSDAP however, never was a negative symbol.

Unlike what many people think, Hitler did not turn around the positive counter-clockwise Hindu swastika to make it an evil sign. He used the clockwise Germanic fylfot as an inspiration. It's meaning is very similar to the Oriental 'yin-yang' symbol. It was supposed to mark Germany that was supposed to become a 'land of milk and honey' through the ideals of National Socialism. But while Hitler was re-conquering German territory that had been stolen from Germany in 1918, England and France started a war against Germany, which would lead to the demise of the great empire.

I did a page on the swastika on my site (which I used to make my own racialist flag):

http://www.enzedblue.com/Flag/Flag.html

[IlluSionS667]

Originally Posted by Ahknaton

I did a page on the swastika on my site (which I used to make my own racialist flag):

http://www.enzedblue.com/Flag/Flag.html

Interesting page, however you're wrong about symbol inversion. The right-handed swastika as was used by the NSDAP never was a symbol to stand for death or anything negative. In fact, I'm not aware of any culture in which the right-handed swastika had a negative meaning.

It is different for the left-handed swavastika. This symbol does have a negative meaning, but only in some cultures swavastika.

The origin for the NSDAP swastika can by found in the Germanic "fylfot" symbol. This symbol, used by eg. Teutonic knights and vikings, was most commonly found in a right-handed position. It represented the sun literally and stood for eg. prosperity or good luck figuratively.

The claim that Hitler changed the direction of a very positive symbol for it to mean something negative, is yet another false propaganda claim to demonise the good man.

[Hakluyt]

Why do you (and other internet antisemites for that matter) refuse to capitalise proper nouns like 'Jews' and 'Jewish'? Do you really think this childish miscarriage of grammar lends anything to your arguments?

[IlluSionS667]

Originally Posted by Hakluyt

Why do you (and other internet antisemites for that matter) refuse to capitalise proper nouns like 'Jews' and 'Jewish'? Do you really think this childish miscarriage of grammar lends anything to your arguments?

- I didn't refuse to capitalist it. I've been a bit sloppy with that, actually. You'll see both the term "jews" and "national socialism" without capitalisation and with capitalisation. It's not anti-semitic thing.

- Both the term "jews" and "national socialism" are without capitals in my own language.


Neverthless, I still write BOTH terms these days without capitalisation, as I do with christiannity, capitalism, ... I honestly don't see the point of writing one belief system or race with capitals and another without. That's why I write ALL of them without capitals.

I'm not anti-semitic, but you are an obvious philosemite, since you shout anti-semitism way too easily and focus on the word "jew"....... Or are you jewish?

And then they call people like me biased.

[eggheadbanga]

To come (unusually) to IlluSionS667's defence a little bit, I've corrected the English usage of German historians who for the same reasons wrote 'jewish', as the adjective is 'juedische' in German. I also often had to decapitalise nouns for the same reason.

I'd not, to be honest, noticed that the adjectives and nouns were losing their caps in our Flemish friend's stuff.

This said, if it's possible to train myself to capitalise German nouns when typing it's possible for a French, Flemish or Dutch speaker to add capitals to English proper nouns and adjectives.

(puts lecturer hat on)

The rules are fairly simple:
1. Nationalities and religions are capitalised - Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, German, Dutch, French

2. Ideologies are generally not, thus generic socialism, commumism, national socialism, capitalism.

3. An exception would be Revisionism, a) to distinguish it from generic revisionism, b) because it is so full of its own self-importance that adding the cap seems only too appropriate.

4. Political movements are capitalised, thus 'he belongs to Labour', or 'he was a National Socialist', when speaking of someone in Germany in 1943.

(takes lecturer hat off)

To put it another way, sloppy capitalisation is the internet equivalent of txtspk in SMS messages. And we wouldn't want people to think we were a teenage girl, would we?

[Hakluyt]

Fair enough on the adjectives then, but the proper nouns are a bit blatant. At any rate it's definitely a pattern I've noticed in this corner of the English-speaking interweb.

Originally Posted by IllusionS667

I'm not anti-semitic, but you are an obvious philosemite, since you shout anti-semitism way too easily and focus on the word "jew"......

That is the stated topic of the thread.

[Ahknaton]

Originally Posted by Hakluyt

Fair enough on the adjectives then, but the proper nouns are a bit blatant. At any rate it's definitely a pattern I've noticed in this corner of the English-speaking interweb.

I've seen posts on VNN where "Jewish" is capitalised as "jEWISH". I'm very particular about capitalising White and Black, and this often irks anti-racists I've debated with (ironically, most PC academic style guides agree with me).

[eggheadbanga]

Originally Posted by Ahknaton

I've seen posts on VNN where "Jewish" is capitalised as "jEWISH". I'm very particular about capitalising White and Black, and this often irks anti-racists I've debated with (ironically, most PC academic style guides agree with me).

Capitalising white and black irks me, but just because it's the norm in most media not to capitalise it. It was the vogue ca. 30-40 years ago to speak of Blacks or Negros, so such usage today seems, well, either very old fashioned or deliberately so.

As a former magazine editor and still-current journalist/lecturer, I get quite anal about these things. Some students go all Germanic in their essays and start capitalising almost random nouns. It sounds very silly. We had a raging debate on a music magazine as to whether to capitalise music genres - Black Metal or black metal? IIRC in the end we de-capitalised. We also stopped that really irritating fanzine thing of spelling out BURZUM and DARKTHRONE in capital letters.

VNNers who spell Jewish jEWISH have probably got something wrong with their capslock, as well as their brains.