African Romans who built Britain

[Little Englander]

Africans in Britain 2000 years ago. The former British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, declared some years ago that the English (or was it the British?) were all “homogenous Anglo-Saxons”. Really? As Africans in Britain celebrate Black History Month this month (October), we put Mrs Thatcher’s words to the test.

Many peoples from many parts of the world, not only Europe, have settled in what became known as “Britain” – for thousands of years. But while some might acknowledge Italian, or Spanish, or French ancestry, few will accept that their forefathers might have come from Africa and what used to be called Mesopotamia, and is now for reasons unknown, called the “Middle East”.
So who were the early Britons? The earliest Roman historians did not ignore the many who had settled on this island: for example, Tacitus wrote of the “dark complexion of the Silures or Black Celts and [their] unusually curly hair”. According to Herodotus, the ancestors of the Picts (in the north of the island) were a regiment of the African army of the Egyptian king, Sesostris II (1980-1935BC), who had attempted to conquer West Asia. The regiment had settled near Colchis and became known by that name. Colchis is near the Black Sea.
Some recent research proves from archaeological and linguistic analyses that the Picts hailed from Scythia, the area between the Caspian and Black Seas – that is, near Colchis. A major trade route passes through this area, mixing the peoples of the East and West and the South and North. It is not surprising therefore that some of the Pict carvings in Scotland depict the great goddess of the Ossetes (in the Caucasus region), who is believed to be the same as the Indian goddess Lakshmi and the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar.
One panel of a sarcophagus in St Andrews (Scotland) illustrates the story of Gilgamesh, an epic known from Mesopotamia in the east to the western reaches of the Mediterranean. The elephants on many Pict carvings sometimes depict the live animals and sometimes the skin of the animal worn in order for the wearer to take on the characteristics of the animal. This Asian custom was also practised in North Africa during Roman times.
Pliny, another Roman historian, described Britons of the second century AD as having “Ethiopian complexions”. Did they acquire these dark skins from the Africans who came with the conquering Romans who first arrived in 55BC? The incorporation of Britain into the Roman Empire dates from 43AD by Emperor Claudius.

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[007]

If they believe that, I'll sell them the Brooklyn Bridge

[Dreadnought]

Some Welsh people do indeed have surprisingly dark skin (Italian kind of colour) and curly hair… clearly, therefore they must be blackmanistanis :rolleyes:

Funny how modern Blacks love to identify their former slavers (North Africans) with themselves. The irony is strong with this one.

[Obscuratus]

The earliest Roman historians did not ignore the many who had settled on this island: for example, Tacitus wrote of the “dark complexion of the Silures or Black Celts and [their] unusually curly hair”.

1. The Silures were never referred to as "black Celts" by the Romans (unless you consider Negrocentrists to be Romans)
2. What the Negrocentrists fail to acknowledge is that said "dark complexion" was compared to the Spanish (well, Iberians), not Ethiopians:

The dark complexion of the Silures, their usually curly hair, and the fact that Spain is the opposite shore to them, are an evidence that Iberians of a former date crossed over and occupied these parts. - Link (http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/tac/ag01010.htm).

Of course in response to this it's obvious that the "original Spanish" were bruddas too. :rolleyes:

According to Herodotus, the ancestors of the Picts (in the north of the island) were a regiment of the African army of the Egyptian king, Sesostris II (1980-1935BC), who had attempted to conquer West Asia.

Although Herodotus does say that Egyptians settled Colchis, he makes no such claim about the Picts (considering that the Picts were only known to the Romans...).

It is not surprising therefore that some of the Pict carvings in Scotland depict the great goddess of the Ossetes (in the Caucasus region), who is believed to be the same as the Indian goddess Lakshmi and the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar.

It's interesting how they use 19th Century sources for claims like this - regardless of the fact that the Europeans who wrote this claimed it was the other way around (the ancient Indians and Mesopotamians were really white Celtic explorers and settlers).

The elephants on many Pict carvings sometimes depict the live animals and sometimes the skin of the animal worn in order for the wearer to take on the characteristics of the animal. This Asian custom was also practised in North Africa during Roman times.

As seen above, hyperdiffusionism (the belief that similar cultural beliefs in cultures with no known historical contact are due to descent from a single culture) is common in pseudohistorical nonsense like this (they also do the same with ancient Britons tattoing themselves - "Polynesians and Africans also tattoo themselves, ergo the ancient Britons were brown people!").

Pliny, another Roman historian, described Britons of the second century AD as having “Ethiopian complexions”.

Nope:
There is a plant in Gaul, similar to the plantago in appearance, and known there by the name of "glastum:" with it both matrons and girls among the people of Britain are in tile habit of staining the body all over, when taking part in the performance of certain sacred rites; rivalling hereby tile swarthy hue of the Æthiopianls, they go in a state of nature. - Link (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137%3Abook%3D22%3Achapter%3D2).

If shown this, they start claiming that the Romans were obviously too stupid to know the difference between tattooed white people and Ethiopians. :rolleyes:

And this ladies and gentlemen is why we shouldn't let ethnics with chips on their shoulders do history

[Kodos]

Its possible a few exotics travelled to Britain during Roman times, as slaves or otherwise but it would be a very very few.

[Obscuratus]

Its possible a few exotics travelled to Britain during Roman times, as slaves or otherwise but it would be a very very few.

If I recall a contingent of Mauri (a racially ambiguous term) served on Hadrian's Wall, an Ethiopian in a Roman legion stationed in Britain reportedly mocked Septimus Severus and some North/East African haplotypes have surfaced in otherwise-white Britons - but apart from that there is little evidence of African colonisation on any significant scale.

[Don Diego Vega]

Britain has a definite Roman imprint. But the more general Mediteranean imprint may be even more ancient than that. People from the Iberian peninsula probably went north to the islands even earlier than the great Romans.
How we get to negroes colonizing England from that is a joke, or as someone said below, somebody with a chip on his shoulder.:munch:

Viva Roma-Maximus the Spaniard;)

[Ken]

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Yeah...ok.

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[Steinbrink]

:rofl:

Coming to school syllabus near you.

[Kodos]

If I recall a contingent of Mauri.

Isn't Mauri a term that refers to the natives of New Zealand?

[Obscuratus]

Isn't Mauri a term that refers to the natives of New Zealand?

Mauri was the Roman term for the North African Moors. I think you're thinking of the Maori.

[Gregz]

Niggra's also founded China and you white devil crackras bez racist and shit. :crazy:

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[Flying Drumhead Court-Martial]

This explains everything.

[limit]

Although the ancient Britons may have been dark or swarthy long ago, no one cares much regarding this matter. In the case that this wasn't so, what does it matter? Britons are one thing, romans are another. No one cares for this racist nonsense. Black people would have travelled in ages past.

[Steinbrink]

and space.....

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[Gregz]

Some recent research proves from archaeological and linguistic analyses that the Picts hailed from Scythia, the area between the Caspian and Black Seas – that is, near Colchis. A major trade route passes through this area, mixing the peoples of the East and West and the South and North. It is not surprising therefore that some of the Pict carvings in Scotland depict the great goddess of the Ossetes (in the Caucasus region), who is believed to be the same as the Indian goddess Lakshmi and the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar.

I doubt Pictish DNA was that exotic. The Ossetians, Georgians and Caucasus other types are Haplogroup G and you won't find that in Scotland. Nevertheless the Picts where a very mysterious little Celtic peoples and are actually quite intresting. :popcorn:

The Hilton of Cadboll stone

History of the stone

The Hilton of Cadboll stone was carved around AD 800 in northern Scotland, then a heartland of the Picts. At this time Scotland was becoming Christian and sculptured stones were created to celebrate the new religion. Carved from local sandstone, it displays sophisticated artistry and symbolism.

At some point the stone was toppled and broken, possibly in a storm in 1674, and the bottom portion lost. In 1676 the original carving of the Christian cross was chipped off and replaced with an inscription commemorating a local man, Alexander Duff, and his three wives.

From the 17th to the mid 19th centuries, the stone remained by the chapel at Hilton of Cadboll. For much of this time it lay with the original Pictish carving facing down.

In the 1860s the MacLeods of Cadboll took it to Invergordon Castle and installed it as a garden ornament.

When the MacLeods sold Invergordon Castle in 1921 they gave the stone to the British Museum in London. This led to public outcry, so the stone was returned to Scotland, arriving at the Museum of Antiquities in Edinburgh later that year. In 1995 the stone was moved to its current prominent position in the Early People gallery.

http://www.nms.ac.uk/images/earlyppl_cadbollstone_190px.jpg



A hoard of silver found at Norrie’s Law, Fife in 1819 included two leaf-shaped metal plaques, engraved and enamelled with Pictish symbols, as well as decorated pins and other items. A fine silver chain, a serpent-like bracelet and more pins were discovered at Gaulcross, Banffshire in 1840.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/media/inline/blog/Image/03-31-Norrie_s_Law_Plaques.jpg


Some researchers think that Pictish symbols are a written language.


Pictish inscriptions—of which fewer than 500 remain, each not more than a few symbols long—have puzzled archaeologists for a century, Lee says. Could they be religious imagery? Tribe names? Or perhaps coats of arms? "Only in the last decade people have asked the question, 'Are they a language?'" he adds.

Lee's team attacked the problem with math. Written languages are distinguishable from random sequences of symbols because they contain some statistical predictability. The typical example is that, in the English language, a "q" is nearly certain to be followed by a "u"; and a "w" is much more likely to be followed by an "h" than, say, by an "s" or a "t".

This predictability is measured by the notion of Shannon entropy, one of the keystone concepts of information theory. (Shannon entropy explains for example why one can compress computer files into Zip archives, and puts a hard limit on how much they can be compressed.)
Norrie's Law plaques

Lo and behold, the Shannon entropy of Pictish inscriptions turned out to be what one would expect from a written language, and not from other symbolic representations such as heraldry. "The paper shows that the Pictish symbols are characters of a lexicographic written language," Lee says, "as opposed to the most general form of writing, which includes things like the [non-verbal] instructions on your Ikea flat packs."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/media/inline/blog/Image/03-31-Norrie_s_Law_Plaques.jpg

[Hermetic]

That claim is weak next to the blacks built the moon ones.

[Grapple]

That claim is weak next to the blacks built the moon ones.
The evil black scientist Yakub 6,600 years ago invented white people who then stole the black peoples technology using their tricknology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)

[Dead Eye]

I've read of a story about a Dutch(i believe) visitor to Britain during the Roman occupation of the British Isles and he did say that there were dark faces among the Romans.The Romans though brought blacks to Britiain as slaves or a slave army so they would not of been the ones behind the technical building of Britain.

Just more Afro-Centric wishful thinking if you ask me.

[catfish]

This whole idea of African Romans building Britain reminds me of how some CHristian Identity people believe White Europeans are actually Israelites and that their ancestors built the temple of Solomon.

[Gregz]

This whole idea of African Romans building Britain reminds me of how some CHristian Identity people believe White Europeans are actually Israelites and that their ancestors built the temple of Solomon.

A lot of CI types are actually crazy Anglo-Jews, who have serious identity issues. Europeans are distantly related to Western Asians. However rest assured they never built the temple of Solomon.

Sephardi Jews have a bit of Iberian ancestry and Ladino is basically old Castilian. These Jews where somewhat more refined and 'European', than the Eastern European vodka peddler variety.

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[Sovietamerican2]

Afrocentrism is just as degrading to any historical epoch as Eurocentrism.

[TheForbidden]

Afrocentrism is just as degrading to any historical epoch as Eurocentrism.
Correct, but the article is well-written and makes sense.

The former British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, declared some years ago that the English (or was it the British?) were all “homogenous Anglo-Saxons”.
True, they were all homogenous savages before the arrival of the Romans.
Thatcher's haughtiness and arrogance is just classic: brits are officially not-racist and even fight against it, yet they a homogenous race and loudly declare it. The duplicity is self-evident.

[Gregz]

True, they were all homogenous savages before the arrival of the Romans.


The Anglo-Saxons invaded after the Romans and long after the Celts. Let alone the indigenous Britons. While I suppose it's quite possible that many English people are pure Anglo-Saxons (wasn't Thatcher some kind of Jewess). :popcorn:

[Hanbat]

Correct, but the article is well-written and makes sense.

True, they were all homogenous savages before the arrival of the Romans.
Thatcher's haughtiness and arrogance is just classic: brits are officially not-racist and even fight against it, yet they a homogenous race and loudly declare it. The duplicity is self-evident.

Ignoramus: Prior to the Roman invasion the Britons had a centralized government and were famed for being the most talented goldsmiths and cloth weavers in the known world.

http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/366/cache/celtic-princess-gold-artifacts_36604_600x450.jpg

[Columnist]

Some Welsh people do indeed have surprisingly dark skin (Italian kind of colour) and curly hair… clearly, therefore they must be blackmanistanis :rolleyes:

Funny how modern Blacks love to identify their former slavers (North Africans) with themselves. The irony is strong with this one.
It is notable that Selkies, mythical seals who can transform into humans, are associated with both dark looks, and living at the coasts(naturally). My pet theory is that North-African women were taken to the British Isles, as the Y-chromosome is nearly all R1b. Insular Celtic shows influences of Berber.

[Columnist]

A lot of CI types are actually crazy Anglo-Jews, who have serious identity issues. Europeans are distantly related to Western Asians. However rest assured they never built the temple of Solomon.

Sephardi Jews have a bit of Iberian ancestry and Ladino is basically old Castilian. These Jews where somewhat more refined and 'European', than the Eastern European vodka peddler variety.

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Sephardi Jews are simply Berbers who converted to Judaism.

[Gregz]

Sephardi Jews are simply Berbers who converted to Judaism.

The Sephardi Jews are actually the closest thing to the original Jews and they are old European Jews. The Sephardi Jews lived in Iberia for a long time and Iberia's ties to the Near East are very ancient.

The Iberians themselves are very mysterious. As Iberian itself like Basque remains unclassified and the Iberians origins are unknown.

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[Columnist]

The Sephardi Jews are actually the closest thing to the original Jews and they are old European Jews. The Sephardi Jews lived in Iberia for a long time and Iberia's ties to the Near East are very ancient.

The Iberians themselves are very mysterious. As Iberian itself like Basque remains unclassified and the Iberians origins are unknown.

UfaEYs9QAR4Basque is related to Circassian, Chechen, and Daghestani languages.

[Gregz]

Basque is related to Circassian, Chechen, and Daghestani languages.

This is mere speculation. Basque emerged in the copper age and like Iberian it remains unclassified. As linguists still don't know what to make of the Iberian languages.

[Āryāvarta]

It's well-known that niggers will use any piece of evidence, no matter how ludicrous or flimsy, to proclaim anyone and anything black.

[Columnist]

It's well-known that niggers will use any piece of evidence, no matter how ludicrous or flimsy, to proclaim anyone and anything black.
What is your bloody obsession with Black people? You are supposedly on a Crusade against Islam.

[Āryāvarta]

Columnist, just because I'm on a crusade against mudslimes doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to express my violent opposition towards (mostly) niggers and other assorted shitskins, such as spics and pakis.

[Gregz]

Columnist, just because I'm on a crusade against mudslimes doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to express my violent opposition towards (mostly) niggers and other assorted shitskins, such as spics and pakis.

Quite right and they are all birds of a feather. :gibs: