"You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything..."

clefty

Phoron
  • surenot:
    Truly globohomo times we live in, it's sad
    • ONE
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  • Macrobius:
    (the answer btw is, the Law of God trumps the laws of men)
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    Poz
  • Macrobius:
    (for those who don't know 'The Law of God' was the schoolbook catechism in Russia before the revolution -- copies in English available if you look for them)
    • Macrobius:

      The 'Law of God' Curriculum in Modern Russia​

      Note: the ebook is rather inexpensive on Google Play and might be of interest to some. Holy Rus': The Rebirth of Orthodoxy in the New Russia
      whigdev.com
    • clefty:
      Macrobius said:
      (for those who don't know 'The Law of God' was the schoolbook catechism in Russia before the revolution -- copies in English available if you look for them)
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      https://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/LGFLS/commandments.shtml
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    • clefty:
      "But in venerating holy icons we do not consider them gods or idols. They are only likenesses, representations of God, or of the angels or of the saints. The word icon comes from the Greek and means likeness. In venerating icons and praying before icons, we do not pray to the material icons (the paint, wood or metal), but to the saint who is represented thereon." VS Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing...Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them...
      Yesterday at 11:14 PM
    • surenot:
      Clefty is a Gnostic like many prots in merika
      Yesterday at 11:15 PM
    • Nikephoros II Phokas:
      Kike-a-like religion :thumbsdown:
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    • Judeobot v.6.66:
      Oy vey itz annudda shoah!!!
      Yesterday at 11:24 PM
    • Macrobius:
      @clefty that link of yours is generally good, but for the one point you are making it is a bit lacking: https://www.septuagint.bible/exodus...col_id=column-1&p_p_col_pos=1&p_p_col_count=2
      Today at 12:07 AM
    • Macrobius:
      The verse in question is 3 οὐκ ἔσονταί σοι θεοὶ ἕτεροι πλὴν ἐμοῦ. 4 οὐ ποιήσεις σεαυτῷ εἴδωλον, οὐδὲ παντὸς ὁμοίωμα, ὅσα ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ ἄνω καὶ ὅσα ἐν τῇ γῇ κάτω καὶ ὅσα ἐν τοῖς ὕδασιν ὑποκάτω τῆς γῆς.
      Today at 12:09 AM
    • Macrobius:
      eidolon means Idol. homoioma is not an eikon
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      Today at 12:09 AM
    • Macrobius:
      Word for word my translation of 4: 'Thou shalt not make unto thyself (an) idol, nor (a) likeness (of any/all) things, so far as the Heaven above and so far (as) in the Earth below ... so far as in the waters far below the Earth.
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      Today at 12:13 AM
    • Macrobius:
      It's relatively easy to find commentaries that discuss the relevant words in Greek, and how they are used in the NT: https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/eng/mbd/1/16--image-likeness-similitude.html
      Today at 12:16 AM
    • Macrobius:
      The key text of course is the one about the creation of Man *in* the image. St Maximos Confessor stresses that Man is not *an* image (Icon) of God, but *in* the Icon of God.
      Today at 12:17 AM
    • Macrobius:
      So watch out for that distinction.
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clefty

Phoron


" the recognizable
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uh symbols and cultural traits associated with power within the Pagan world were preserved in a new version of

Christianity and po Gregory even said to do this like also he said don't destroy their temples just take out the idols

and put one of Jesus in so like the transition was much more gradual than than on the ground they wouldn't

necessarily felt that it was so big a huge change culturally as it really was and in fact there is a bead even records

um the king in East Anglia radal who kept in the temp in his own Temple he kept his idols of the Gods thunor and

Roden and he added uh an idol of Christ next to them so while the Christian

faith theologically requires the non-w worship not worshiping any other gods

the Pagan Faith doesn't have any kind of uh rule against adding an idol of Christ

to your altar so so it was quite easy to sort of slip in and then once people

have gotten used to the idea of him as being one of the Gods then you could get rid of the other ones"
 

clefty

Phoron
"When I take it off, every other device feels flat and boring: My 75-inch OLED TV feels like a CRT from the ’90s; my iPhone feels like a flip phone from yesteryear, and even the real world around me feels surprisingly flat. And this is the problem. In the same way that I can’t imagine driving a car without a stereo, in the same way I can’t imagine not having a phone to communicate with people or take pictures of my children, in the same way I can’t imagine trying to work without a computer, I can see a day when we all can’t imagine living without an augmented reality. When we’re enveloped more and more by technology, to the point that we crave these glasses like a drug, like we crave our iPhones today but with more desire for the dopamine hit this resolution of AR can deliver.

I know deep down that the Apple Vision Pro is too immersive, and yet all I want to do is see the world through it. “I’m sure the technology is terrific. I still think and hope it fails,” one Silicon Valley investor said to me. “Apple feels more and more like a tech fentanyl dealer that poses as a rehab provider.” https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2024/4/1/out-of-sight

how they mock when I warn of the power of images...
 

clefty

Phoron
It's always about da joos...

but no worries they are not worshipping...just venerating...no bowing going on here or serving...so no problems despite it being written "dont bow or serve any made"...



"Both Jude and Judas are translations of the name Ὶούδας in the Koine Greek original text of the New Testament, which in turn is a Greek variant of Judah (Y'hudah), a name which was common among Jews at the time."

wait wut? The apostles were joos? So Joode would find this relic tour quite disarming...LOL

and the name Joode came from Joodith a Hittite not a joo...she was Esau's wife Jacob's sister in law...Jacob then had Joodah...

Joodah means "praise"

So Joode is true praise Joodas is false...neat eh?
 

clefty

Phoron
CCC 2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.”

Sounds like Bidenomics

the more you print the less value of all of it…
 

clefty

Phoron

Lord Osmund de Ixabert

I X A B E R T.com
Any likeness of anything?

Then the Bible is forbidden, since every page of it resembles a two-dimensional rectangular quadrilateral.

The book itself is made in the likeness of a three-dimensional rectangular parallelepiped (orthotope).

The contents of the book are represented by words. The words are composed of letters. he letters and punctuation marks resemble various geometrical shapes.

. resembles a point.
O resembles a circle.
I resembles a straight line.
C resembles a single semicircular arc.
Δ resembles a triangle with equal sides, an apex, and a base.
S resembles two semicircular arcs forming a sinusoidal shape.
Φ resembles a circle with a vertical line segment through the center.
Ω resembles a horseshoe with two short vertical line segments at the base.
J resembles a vertical line segment terminating in a semicircular arc at the bottom.
Ψ resembles a trident with a vertical line segment and two short diagonal segments.
D resembles a vertical line segment and a single semicircular arc connected to the vertical segment.
G resembles a semicircular arc partially intersected by a short horizontal line segment at the end of the arc.
H resembles two vertical line segments & a horizontal line segment intersecting at the midpoints of both vertical lines
A resembles two line segments forming two sides of an isosceles triangle connected at midpoint by a horizontal line segment & forming a crossbar.
 

clefty

Phoron
Lord Osmund de Ixabert said:
Any likeness of anything?

Then the Bible is forbidden, since every page of it resembles a two-dimensional rectangular quadrilateral.

The book itself is made in the likeness of a three-dimensional rectangular parallelepiped (orthotope).

The contents of the book are represented by words. The words are composed of letters. he letters and punctuation marks resemble various geometrical shapes.

. resembles a point.
O resembles a circle.
I resembles a straight line.
C resembles a single semicircular arc.
Δ resembles a triangle with equal sides, an apex, and a base.
S resembles two semicircular arcs forming a sinusoidal shape.
Φ resembles a circle with a vertical line segment through the center.
Ω resembles a horseshoe with two short vertical line segments at the base.
J resembles a vertical line segment terminating in a semicircular arc at the bottom.
Ψ resembles a trident with a vertical line segment and two short diagonal segments.
D resembles a vertical line segment and a single semicircular arc connected to the vertical segment.
G resembles a semicircular arc partially intersected by a short horizontal line segment at the end of the arc.
H resembles two vertical line segments & a horizontal line segment intersecting at the midpoints of both vertical lines
A resembles two line segments forming two sides of an isosceles triangle connected at midpoint by a horizontal line segment & forming a crossbar.
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First off...Good to hear from you...hope you/yours are well...

And BINGO...you could just as easily have pointed out that the earliest writing were indeed images...

1715868011611.pngis "aleph" the first in line of a parade of images

"make no image" meant that they were to retain from Sinai an ORAL Torah passed down generationally until finally even that was written down.

His intention for Israel His Bride at Sinai was initially SPOKEN...until scared of the sound they told Him to stop and pled with Moses to go up the mountian and receive the rest. He then handed to Moses tablets on which He Himself had written "front and back".

Just as in the Acts 15 council FURTHER CLARIFICATION WAS NEEDED...4 things were concluded as required for the believing gentiles BECAUSE/FOR Moses was taught every Sabbath. (So that makes 5...as if the other 8 of 10 were not...)

One of those requirements was to keep from πορνείας porneias 4202 porneía (the root of the English terms "pornography, pornographic"; cf. 4205 /pórnos) which is derived from pernaō, "to sell off") – properly, a selling off (surrendering) of sexual purity; promiscuity of any (every) type.

And just like today when clever wordsmiths also argue their "gotcha"s (as Gay Christians do) these believing Greeks in Acts would need CLARIFICATION as what is immoral sex as Greeks have their own standard which is NOT LIKE what is written in Leviticus (but but is just for da joos lol)

So James concluded with 4 things (already required in the OT of these "strangers within thy gates" included in the Sabbath which was made on account of man not just da joos) were required BECAUSE/FOR the rest is taught on subsequent Sabbaths. James like "Jesus" fully expected Sabbaths to continue into the future...oh and winters I would imagine...

At Sinai Moses didn't have anything written down yet as then he could have expected the golden calf incident...get it?

They HEARD the 10 Words ONCE and then waited and grew restless...Moses then smashed the written contract to protect the criminals as "no contract no debt" "no evidence no crime"

But your brilliance has led straight to the matter in a triumphant "gotcha" of what was given to His Bride

And so I ask myself are you thus revealing a rejection of Him and His ways? a heart less inclined to acknowledge "wow we really CAN'T be perfect and really DO need a Savior from our state of abomination. A messiah Who came to demonstrate for US what He meant at Sinai"...and further demonstrating it by leaving NO IMAGE not even WRITINGS though He was incarnated...

So revel as reprobate triumphant or repent and be more like Him...live as He did...

"choose ye this day Whom ye will serve"...and how...see SEE? I just added to His word...or did I?
 
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